Comments on: Hate speech takes focus http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/ Serving California State University, Fresno since 1922. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mrsjhernandez http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41329 mrsjhernandez Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:31:14 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41329 I am a little late with my comment because I just heard about the ugly problems that all of the comments have created regarding the study-in. And yes ray2535 "we" who were outside are the ones chanting "Si Se Puede". And to twomper84 the phrase has lived in my family way before Chavez ever had the idea of starting his movement. Just as it has been in all latino households for almost "forever". It is a phrase that we begin to tell our children from the moment they begin to learn to walk, feed themselves, tie their shoes and so on. I was outside of that library in support of my student son who is being bashed for doing something he felt was right, and "I" felt it was right also, that is why I and only one other parent slept outside of the library door that night in the cold of night! Yes, we began to chant "Si se Puede" but then again, two small children who were there in support of their parent began chanting "I want to read a book", and we followed them in their chant. Those same children also began to chant "I want to study", and we joined in. It was a bilingual "support". I personally know most of the kids who participated in the study-in - unlike President Welty, the door to my home is open to all of them and any other student who needs a home away from home. I cook for them, they sit at my table and eat, if it is hot they can come in where it's cool, or come in to warmth when it's cold outside. They have kitchen liberties, I allow them to be "at home" while away from home. I love all these kids as if they were my sons and daughters and I will continue to support them in every way possible. Oh and for the record, the students that come to my home are of all races, genders, religions, etc....And for those who would like to contact me personally, I will not hide behind a made-up name or fake email...I am not a coward. I am a little late with my comment because I just heard about the ugly problems that all of the comments have created regarding the study-in. And yes ray2535 “we” who were outside are the ones chanting “Si Se Puede”. And to twomper84 the phrase has lived in my family way before Chavez ever had the idea of starting his movement. Just as it has been in all latino households for almost “forever”. It is a phrase that we begin to tell our children from the moment they begin to learn to walk, feed themselves, tie their shoes and so on. I was outside of that library in support of my student son who is being bashed for doing something he felt was right, and “I” felt it was right also, that is why I and only one other parent slept outside of the library door that night in the cold of night! Yes, we began to chant “Si se Puede” but then again, two small children who were there in support of their parent began chanting “I want to read a book”, and we followed them in their chant. Those same children also began to chant “I want to study”, and we joined in. It was a bilingual “support”. I personally know most of the kids who participated in the study-in – unlike President Welty, the door to my home is open to all of them and any other student who needs a home away from home. I cook for them, they sit at my table and eat, if it is hot they can come in where it's cool, or come in to warmth when it's cold outside. They have kitchen liberties, I allow them to be “at home” while away from home. I love all these kids as if they were my sons and daughters and I will continue to support them in every way possible. Oh and for the record, the students that come to my home are of all races, genders, religions, etc….And for those who would like to contact me personally, I will not hide behind a made-up name or fake email…I am not a coward.

]]> By: mrsjhernandez http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41223 mrsjhernandez Wed, 09 Dec 2009 04:31:14 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41223 I am a little late with my comment because I just heard about the ugly problems that all of the comments have created regarding the study-in. And yes ray2535 "we" who were outside are the ones chanting "Si Se Puede". And to twomper84 the phrase has lived in my family way before Chavez ever had the idea of starting his movement. Just as it has been in all latino households for almost "forever". It is a phrase that we begin to tell our children from the moment they begin to learn to walk, feed themselves, tie their shoes and so on. I was outside of that library in support of my student son who is being bashed for doing something he felt was right, and "I" felt it was right also, that is why I and only one other parent slept outside of the library door that night in the cold of night! Yes, we began to chant "Si se Puede" but then again, two small children who were there in support of their parent began chanting "I want to read a book", and we followed them in their chant. Those same children also began to chant "I want to study", and we joined in. It was a bilingual "support". I personally know most of the kids who participated in the study-in - unlike President Welty, the door to my home is open to all of them and any other student who needs a home away from home. I cook for them, they sit at my table and eat, if it is hot they can come in where it's cool, or come in to warmth when it's cold outside. They have kitchen liberties, I allow them to be "at home" while away from home. I love all these kids as if they were my sons and daughters and I will continue to support them in every way possible. Oh and for the record, the students that come to my home are of all races, genders, religions, etc....And for those who would like to contact me personally, I will not hide behind a made-up name or fake email...I am not a coward. I am a little late with my comment because I just heard about the ugly problems that all of the comments have created regarding the study-in. And yes ray2535 “we” who were outside are the ones chanting “Si Se Puede”. And to twomper84 the phrase has lived in my family way before Chavez ever had the idea of starting his movement. Just as it has been in all latino households for almost “forever”. It is a phrase that we begin to tell our children from the moment they begin to learn to walk, feed themselves, tie their shoes and so on. I was outside of that library in support of my student son who is being bashed for doing something he felt was right, and “I” felt it was right also, that is why I and only one other parent slept outside of the library door that night in the cold of night! Yes, we began to chant “Si se Puede” but then again, two small children who were there in support of their parent began chanting “I want to read a book”, and we followed them in their chant. Those same children also began to chant “I want to study”, and we joined in. It was a bilingual “support”. I personally know most of the kids who participated in the study-in – unlike President Welty, the door to my home is open to all of them and any other student who needs a home away from home. I cook for them, they sit at my table and eat, if it is hot they can come in where it's cool, or come in to warmth when it's cold outside. They have kitchen liberties, I allow them to be “at home” while away from home. I love all these kids as if they were my sons and daughters and I will continue to support them in every way possible. Oh and for the record, the students that come to my home are of all races, genders, religions, etc….And for those who would like to contact me personally, I will not hide behind a made-up name or fake email…I am not a coward.

]]> By: joshua4234 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41189 joshua4234 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:26:30 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41189 I'm just sad race is even still an issue for anyone. We are all humans with varying degrees of skin pigmentation, which should be entirely irrelevant to anyone. Race is just a useless human construct that only aids tribalism and fighting amongst ourselves. Why can't we all see that we are all the same race, the human race, and are all stuck on this planet together and would be better off working together in peace? I suppose it's just too logical for mankind. I'm just sad race is even still an issue for anyone. We are all humans with varying degrees of skin pigmentation, which should be entirely irrelevant to anyone. Race is just a useless human construct that only aids tribalism and fighting amongst ourselves. Why can't we all see that we are all the same race, the human race, and are all stuck on this planet together and would be better off working together in peace? I suppose it's just too logical for mankind.

]]> By: arealalumnis http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41187 arealalumnis Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:52:24 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41187 Fresno State has a long history of hate on campus: violent assaults on Latinos during the Cesar Chavez/UFW era, similiar violence against Middle Easterners in the late 1970s and 1980s, gay bashings and booth burnings in the 1980s and early 1990s, and sprinkled throughout was more violence aimed at Latinos. Fresno State has a long history of hate on campus: violent assaults on Latinos during the Cesar Chavez/UFW era, similiar violence against Middle Easterners in the late 1970s and 1980s, gay bashings and booth burnings in the 1980s and early 1990s, and sprinkled throughout was more violence aimed at Latinos.

]]> By: ray2535 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41186 ray2535 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:53:11 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41186 again, i am not a student. however, i was at the library sit in and witnessed the chanting outside. the people outside the library were mostly non-student, community supporters. "si se puede" was NEVER chanted by students that were participating in the study-in inside the library. The people OUTSIDE were chanting "si se puede" again, i am not a student. however, i was at the library sit in and witnessed the chanting outside. the people outside the library were mostly non-student, community supporters. “si se puede” was NEVER chanted by students that were participating in the study-in inside the library. The people OUTSIDE were chanting “si se puede”

]]> By: Anna http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-48806 Anna Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:20:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-48806 Test! Test!

]]> By: ray2535 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41185 ray2535 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:14:20 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41185 twomper: i appreciate your comments.<br><br>i would like to thank the collegian for changing this format. twomper: i appreciate your comments.

i would like to thank the collegian for changing this format.

]]> By: Ray http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41097 Ray Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:35:40 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41097 ...and even more wisdom from drunk_dawg. I am not Mexican. I am not a student at FSU. i am a little confused about the attitude of FSU students in general. lets get to the truth. truth is that the group in the library studying was a very diverse group of students. I was in the library for a short time. if we want to use colors/race, then my question is why are white students under represented in this activism her at FSU? if you look at all the UC protests going on, you see a much broader mix of people of color and white students. does that mean that white UC students are more active/inteligent than CSU white students? not really sure, but i am a little confused about the apathy of the general white student body at FSU. now lets talk about these Mexican students, and I am proud to refer to them as Mexican! mexicans come from an activist heritage, stemming from the mexican revolutionary war to the modern day farm worker struggle. social justice comes naturally to these students. solidarity, a term very uinfamiliar to the general white CSU student body, is also part of these mexican students mindset. i can only guess that white students of privilege, who do not face economic challenges while attending CSU, could care less about anything except what they have or expect to have. this battle over fees and access to education is vital for future generations, white and people of color. Si se puede is a rallting cry for solidarity and social justice. i don't think there is any reason for non-Mexican students to get offended. the reality is that this movement on FSU is led by a coalition of students, ever growing in numbers, with it's core and heart driven by the passion and dedication of Mexican students on the FSU campus. the collegian absolutley has to change this blog by taking away the ability to post anonymously. we should be held accountable to what we post. perhaps si se puede was a little alienating for non-mexican students, but that was not the intention. if they chanted yes we can, then I am sure they would be branded as Obama fascists anyway. there is culture in this student movement, folks, and i am thankful for that. i would think that in 2009 we could get beyond hatred, but it is obvious that there still is a lot of underlying racism in this country. i encourage all students to get involved in this movement. put aside your fear and get active. it really is for common good and the future of education. it is a debate that absolutely has to occur …and even more wisdom from drunk_dawg. I am not Mexican. I am not a student at FSU. i am a little confused about the attitude of FSU students in general. lets get to the truth. truth is that the group in the library studying was a very diverse group of students. I was in the library for a short time. if we want to use colors/race, then my question is why are white students under represented in this activism her at FSU? if you look at all the UC protests going on, you see a much broader mix of people of color and white students. does that mean that white UC students are more active/inteligent than CSU white students? not really sure, but i am a little confused about the apathy of the general white student body at FSU. now lets talk about these Mexican students, and I am proud to refer to them as Mexican! mexicans come from an activist heritage, stemming from the mexican revolutionary war to the modern day farm worker struggle. social justice comes naturally to these students. solidarity, a term very uinfamiliar to the general white CSU student body, is also part of these mexican students mindset. i can only guess that white students of privilege, who do not face economic challenges while attending CSU, could care less about anything except what they have or expect to have. this battle over fees and access to education is vital for future generations, white and people of color. Si se puede is a rallting cry for solidarity and social justice. i don’t think there is any reason for non-Mexican students to get offended. the reality is that this movement on FSU is led by a coalition of students, ever growing in numbers, with it’s core and heart driven by the passion and dedication of Mexican students on the FSU campus.

the collegian absolutley has to change this blog by taking away the ability to post anonymously. we should be held accountable to what we post.

perhaps si se puede was a little alienating for non-mexican students, but that was not the intention. if they chanted yes we can, then I am sure they would be branded as Obama fascists anyway. there is culture in this student movement, folks, and i am thankful for that. i would think that in 2009 we could get beyond hatred, but it is obvious that there still is a lot of underlying racism in this country.

i encourage all students to get involved in this movement. put aside your fear and get active. it really is for common good and the future of education. it is a debate that absolutely has to occur

]]> By: Ray http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-48805 Ray Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:35:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-48805 ...and even more wisdom from drunk_dawg. I am not Mexican. I am not a student at FSU. i am a little confused about the attitude of FSU students in general. lets get to the truth. truth is that the group in the library studying was a very diverse group of students. I was in the library for a short time. if we want to use colors/race, then my question is why are white students under represented in this activism her at FSU? if you look at all the UC protests going on, you see a much broader mix of people of color and white students. does that mean that white UC students are more active/inteligent than CSU white students? not really sure, but i am a little confused about the apathy of the general white student body at FSU. now lets talk about these Mexican students, and I am proud to refer to them as Mexican! mexicans come from an activist heritage, stemming from the mexican revolutionary war to the modern day farm worker struggle. social justice comes naturally to these students. solidarity, a term very uinfamiliar to the general white CSU student body, is also part of these mexican students mindset. i can only guess that white students of privilege, who do not face economic challenges while attending CSU, could care less about anything except what they have or expect to have. this battle over fees and access to education is vital for future generations, white and people of color. Si se puede is a rallting cry for solidarity and social justice. i don't think there is any reason for non-Mexican students to get offended. the reality is that this movement on FSU is led by a coalition of students, ever growing in numbers, with it's core and heart driven by the passion and dedication of Mexican students on the FSU campus. the collegian absolutley has to change this blog by taking away the ability to post anonymously. we should be held accountable to what we post. perhaps si se puede was a little alienating for non-mexican students, but that was not the intention. if they chanted yes we can, then I am sure they would be branded as Obama fascists anyway. there is culture in this student movement, folks, and i am thankful for that. i would think that in 2009 we could get beyond hatred, but it is obvious that there still is a lot of underlying racism in this country. i encourage all students to get involved in this movement. put aside your fear and get active. it really is for common good and the future of education. it is a debate that absolutely has to occur …and even more wisdom from drunk_dawg. I am not Mexican. I am not a student at FSU. i am a little confused about the attitude of FSU students in general. lets get to the truth. truth is that the group in the library studying was a very diverse group of students. I was in the library for a short time. if we want to use colors/race, then my question is why are white students under represented in this activism her at FSU? if you look at all the UC protests going on, you see a much broader mix of people of color and white students. does that mean that white UC students are more active/inteligent than CSU white students? not really sure, but i am a little confused about the apathy of the general white student body at FSU. now lets talk about these Mexican students, and I am proud to refer to them as Mexican! mexicans come from an activist heritage, stemming from the mexican revolutionary war to the modern day farm worker struggle. social justice comes naturally to these students. solidarity, a term very uinfamiliar to the general white CSU student body, is also part of these mexican students mindset. i can only guess that white students of privilege, who do not face economic challenges while attending CSU, could care less about anything except what they have or expect to have. this battle over fees and access to education is vital for future generations, white and people of color. Si se puede is a rallting cry for solidarity and social justice. i don’t think there is any reason for non-Mexican students to get offended. the reality is that this movement on FSU is led by a coalition of students, ever growing in numbers, with it’s core and heart driven by the passion and dedication of Mexican students on the FSU campus.

the collegian absolutley has to change this blog by taking away the ability to post anonymously. we should be held accountable to what we post.

perhaps si se puede was a little alienating for non-mexican students, but that was not the intention. if they chanted yes we can, then I am sure they would be branded as Obama fascists anyway. there is culture in this student movement, folks, and i am thankful for that. i would think that in 2009 we could get beyond hatred, but it is obvious that there still is a lot of underlying racism in this country.

i encourage all students to get involved in this movement. put aside your fear and get active. it really is for common good and the future of education. it is a debate that absolutely has to occur

]]> By: ajacobsen http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41103 ajacobsen Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:29:44 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41103 test test

]]> By: black guy http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41096 black guy Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:11:26 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41096 Am I racist because I like white women more than black women? Am I racist because I like white women more than black women?

]]> By: black guy http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-48804 black guy Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:11:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-48804 Am I racist because I like white women more than black women? Am I racist because I like white women more than black women?

]]> By: Drunk_Dawg http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41094 Drunk_Dawg Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:56:30 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41094 Jared Harper: It seems to appear that you are in a greek organization. But doesn't greek organizations are always in competition with each other. Recruiting getting exposed to be the very best. Nobody is bashing on greek organizations it sounds like you want to make a big deal about. The editorial explains the feelings of a person which their is nothing wrong I guess if you can't write about anything that is useful. Let me some people this why is when whites start to have an opinion about a certain subject they are now considered racists but when you have these other organizations coming out blaming the white man. Come on if a certain minority group feels so oppressed then why didn't they do their homework and create their own college like other have throughout history. I continue to say that these students that are protesting continue to claim to be, "Victims of Society." Jared Harper: It seems to appear that you are in a greek organization. But doesn’t greek organizations are always in competition with each other. Recruiting getting exposed to be the very best. Nobody is bashing on greek organizations it sounds like you want to make a big deal about. The editorial explains the feelings of a person which their is nothing wrong I guess if you can’t write about anything that is useful. Let me some people this why is when whites start to have an opinion about a certain subject they are now considered racists but when you have these other organizations coming out blaming the white man. Come on if a certain minority group feels so oppressed then why didn’t they do their homework and create their own college like other have throughout history. I continue to say that these students that are protesting continue to claim to be, “Victims of Society.”

]]> By: Drunk_Dawg http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-48803 Drunk_Dawg Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:56:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-48803 Jared Harper: It seems to appear that you are in a greek organization. But doesn't greek organizations are always in competition with each other. Recruiting getting exposed to be the very best. Nobody is bashing on greek organizations it sounds like you want to make a big deal about. The editorial explains the feelings of a person which their is nothing wrong I guess if you can't write about anything that is useful. Let me some people this why is when whites start to have an opinion about a certain subject they are now considered racists but when you have these other organizations coming out blaming the white man. Come on if a certain minority group feels so oppressed then why didn't they do their homework and create their own college like other have throughout history. I continue to say that these students that are protesting continue to claim to be, "Victims of Society." Jared Harper: It seems to appear that you are in a greek organization. But doesn’t greek organizations are always in competition with each other. Recruiting getting exposed to be the very best. Nobody is bashing on greek organizations it sounds like you want to make a big deal about. The editorial explains the feelings of a person which their is nothing wrong I guess if you can’t write about anything that is useful. Let me some people this why is when whites start to have an opinion about a certain subject they are now considered racists but when you have these other organizations coming out blaming the white man. Come on if a certain minority group feels so oppressed then why didn’t they do their homework and create their own college like other have throughout history. I continue to say that these students that are protesting continue to claim to be, “Victims of Society.”

]]> By: twomper84 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/11/23/hate-speech-takes-focus/comment-page-2/#comment-41099 twomper84 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:43:44 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=18254#comment-41099 I find it intensely interesting that all of the earlier comments were deleted. Surely, there had to be some merit to some of the comments left.<br><br>That said, I think that racializing any discussion about a 24 hour library is a bit trivial. Perhaps the author should revisit the origin of "Si Se Puede" and remember that it is not, as she said, a Spanish translation of Obama's campaign catch-phrase (although that is a nice coincidence) but has long been affiliated with the struggles of Hispanics in general, starting with the United Farm Workers in 1972.<br><br>"Si Se Puede" also happened to be the chant that an estimated 1,000,000 individuals (some documented, and others undocumented) used in the 2007 "Day without a Mexican" marches.<br><br>To suggest innocuously that "Si se puede" is an inert translation of Obama's campaign catch phrase, and not a more racially and politically charged motto, is doing a disservice to the phrases origins and intent.<br><br>Some of the commenters on this board have been, and will continue to be, out of line. Many individuals have not fully integrated the concept tolerance into their patterns of speech and behavior, but this is not a one sided argument. Perhaps the Hispanic students at this event should have realized that utilizing a catch phrase originally associated with unionizing farm workers and advancing their social status to fight for extended library rights might seem inflammatory to some. I find it intensely interesting that all of the earlier comments were deleted. Surely, there had to be some merit to some of the comments left.

That said, I think that racializing any discussion about a 24 hour library is a bit trivial. Perhaps the author should revisit the origin of “Si Se Puede” and remember that it is not, as she said, a Spanish translation of Obama's campaign catch-phrase (although that is a nice coincidence) but has long been affiliated with the struggles of Hispanics in general, starting with the United Farm Workers in 1972.

“Si Se Puede” also happened to be the chant that an estimated 1,000,000 individuals (some documented, and others undocumented) used in the 2007 “Day without a Mexican” marches.

To suggest innocuously that “Si se puede” is an inert translation of Obama's campaign catch phrase, and not a more racially and politically charged motto, is doing a disservice to the phrases origins and intent.

Some of the commenters on this board have been, and will continue to be, out of line. Many individuals have not fully integrated the concept tolerance into their patterns of speech and behavior, but this is not a one sided argument. Perhaps the Hispanic students at this event should have realized that utilizing a catch phrase originally associated with unionizing farm workers and advancing their social status to fight for extended library rights might seem inflammatory to some.

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