WEB-SPE@K: What’s your walkout story?
Did you participate in the walkout? If you did, what motivated you to take action? Tell us your walkout story.
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I have more respect for the taxpayers of the great state of California (in their footing most of the cost of our university education) to partake in a walkout.
I have more respect for the taxpayers of the great state of California (in their footing most of the cost of our university education) to partake in a walkout.
The thing of it is I can’t join the walkout for more State education money if I’ve been shouting “end government monopoly of education!” Those two views don’t make best bed-buddies.
I’m fairly well convinced after reading a lot on various topics of interest these last months that our furloughs and whatnot are symptoms of something greater than, oh we’re short on dough, hey-o.
No, California is the prime example of why statism, the all present relationship between people and government, doesn’t work. Us Californians have asked our republic here and its Legislature and various departments to give us so much. Give us unlimited schooling! Give us unlimited health care! Give us assurances against all things that can hurt us!
Of course all of this costs inordinate loads of tax money. If we had proportional tax on sales, or income, or some fair tax we would have ended this madness long ago. However, much like the Federal Government we here also have a progressive tax.
A system whereby everyone plunders everyone.
Those who have the most to give, usually those ‘evil big businesses’ go elsewhere, elsewhere being not in California where we can tax them. (aside: I to am against CORPORATISM, ironically our statist ways encourage corporatism and discourage common capitalism) Now with the engineered national depression we finally find ourselves to have slipped off that last rope of safety completely. We are falling to the doom of big government.
And still we shout, no cuts in my backyard!
It’s not that I am against the large crowd I saw pass by a half hour ago. They have their hearts in the right place. They probably are drawing the best conclusions they can from the limited and watered down, very sanitary information they have been given.
I challenge every walk-outer to instead go an educate themselves about the big and monstrous problems of the legacy progressivism and the modern left have bequeathed us. Let us again be liberal people, in the truest sense of the word. Let’s not continue everyone plundering everyone.
To this end I recommend the following books that I have found quite worthy:
John Taylor Gatto’s The Underground History of American Education (free on his website, just Google it!)
Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny: a Conservative Manifesto
Jonah Golberg’s Liberal Facism
Take care all!
-Sean Lowrie
The thing of it is I can’t join the walkout for more State education money if I’ve been shouting “end government monopoly of education!” Those two views don’t make best bed-buddies.
I’m fairly well convinced after reading a lot on various topics of interest these last months that our furloughs and whatnot are symptoms of something greater than, oh we’re short on dough, hey-o.
No, California is the prime example of why statism, the all present relationship between people and government, doesn’t work. Us Californians have asked our republic here and its Legislature and various departments to give us so much. Give us unlimited schooling! Give us unlimited health care! Give us assurances against all things that can hurt us!
Of course all of this costs inordinate loads of tax money. If we had proportional tax on sales, or income, or some fair tax we would have ended this madness long ago. However, much like the Federal Government we here also have a progressive tax.
A system whereby everyone plunders everyone.
Those who have the most to give, usually those ‘evil big businesses’ go elsewhere, elsewhere being not in California where we can tax them. (aside: I to am against CORPORATISM, ironically our statist ways encourage corporatism and discourage common capitalism) Now with the engineered national depression we finally find ourselves to have slipped off that last rope of safety completely. We are falling to the doom of big government.
And still we shout, no cuts in my backyard!
It’s not that I am against the large crowd I saw pass by a half hour ago. They have their hearts in the right place. They probably are drawing the best conclusions they can from the limited and watered down, very sanitary information they have been given.
I challenge every walk-outer to instead go an educate themselves about the big and monstrous problems of the legacy progressivism and the modern left have bequeathed us. Let us again be liberal people, in the truest sense of the word. Let’s not continue everyone plundering everyone.
To this end I recommend the following books that I have found quite worthy:
John Taylor Gatto’s The Underground History of American Education (free on his website, just Google it!)
Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny: a Conservative Manifesto
Jonah Golberg’s Liberal Facism
Take care all!
-Sean Lowrie
I don’t support walkouts because they’re for poor people and I love to pretend like I’m rich while going to school off my parents’ money while I myself don’t even have a
job. I’d rather spend my time driving around in the Beamer my parents bought me for my Super Sweet Sixteen celebration. It was awesome! My parents who are so rich AND paying for my education even got the rapper Lil’ Wayne to perform! All the kids at my high school were mad jealous. Rock on!
I don’t support walkouts because they’re for poor people and I love to pretend like I’m rich while going to school off my parents’ money while I myself don’t even have a
job. I’d rather spend my time driving around in the Beamer my parents bought me for my Super Sweet Sixteen celebration. It was awesome! My parents who are so rich AND paying for my education even got the rapper Lil’ Wayne to perform! All the kids at my high school were mad jealous. Rock on!
I was part of the walk out and I am very proud to say that I was a part of history. I was a volunteer for SQE and if it wasn’t for their interest in trying to bring light to the issue of higher tuition cost and professor layoffs, the walk-out would have not been possible. Students along with faculty have to get involved and have to speak up for their rights!
No more cuts, no more fees, EDUCATION SHOULD BE FREE. I became involved with SQE and the issues affecting education because I am a first generation student and I want to give the opportunity, the well deserved opportunity, to my people and sisters and brothers from years to come, to attend school. In the end EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVLEGE. I
I was part of the walk out and I am very proud to say that I was a part of history. I was a volunteer for SQE and if it wasn’t for their interest in trying to bring light to the issue of higher tuition cost and professor layoffs, the walk-out would have not been possible. Students along with faculty have to get involved and have to speak up for their rights!
No more cuts, no more fees, EDUCATION SHOULD BE FREE. I became involved with SQE and the issues affecting education because I am a first generation student and I want to give the opportunity, the well deserved opportunity, to my people and sisters and brothers from years to come, to attend school. In the end EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVLEGE. I
Mari, I was recommended an interesting book by a recent graduate of the music department who is now a public school music teacher.
The book is Ivan Illich’s Deschooling Society. I just finished reading it, and my mother-in-law is currently reading it right now. After that I can easily return it to the library here where I got it and you could read it.
He puts forth a fairly complete plan of how in 1970 he was envisioning a world in which education is both de-institutionalized and free for everyone to access.
I don’t agree with everything he put forward, but I think you’d find the read at least stimulating.
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I have just one concern when you say education is a right. If you mean education should be barred no-one and that everyone has the freedom to educate themselves as they see fit for as long or as little as they wish I back you totally.
I’m just hoping you don’t mean that institutionalized education, emphasis institutionalized, is a right. Because that would of necessity mean that all who provide that service are totally bound to give it their rights notwithstanding. Either that or we all have to pay taxes to provide it for those who cannot pay on their own.
Either method is slavery. Slavery for good an benevolent works yes. It is still slavery, and I couldn’t in that case support the Right of Education if that right denies anyone the most basic right: Liberty. In fact I would fight long and hard to stop that form of tyranny.
So that’s why I’m hoping you’re aiming for de-institutionalized education, because then each person bears their own responsibility solely and no-one has the opportunity to violate another in the quest of knowledge.
-Sean
Mari, I was recommended an interesting book by a recent graduate of the music department who is now a public school music teacher.
The book is Ivan Illich’s Deschooling Society. I just finished reading it, and my mother-in-law is currently reading it right now. After that I can easily return it to the library here where I got it and you could read it.
He puts forth a fairly complete plan of how in 1970 he was envisioning a world in which education is both de-institutionalized and free for everyone to access.
I don’t agree with everything he put forward, but I think you’d find the read at least stimulating.
—
I have just one concern when you say education is a right. If you mean education should be barred no-one and that everyone has the freedom to educate themselves as they see fit for as long or as little as they wish I back you totally.
I’m just hoping you don’t mean that institutionalized education, emphasis institutionalized, is a right. Because that would of necessity mean that all who provide that service are totally bound to give it their rights notwithstanding. Either that or we all have to pay taxes to provide it for those who cannot pay on their own.
Either method is slavery. Slavery for good an benevolent works yes. It is still slavery, and I couldn’t in that case support the Right of Education if that right denies anyone the most basic right: Liberty. In fact I would fight long and hard to stop that form of tyranny.
So that’s why I’m hoping you’re aiming for de-institutionalized education, because then each person bears their own responsibility solely and no-one has the opportunity to violate another in the quest of knowledge.
-Sean
the local news did some footage of our protest today:
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=7076635
for the past couple weeks i’ve been helping publicize the walkout on campus…. today, all our hard work paid off…around 400 students showed up, and we marched around campus and even out to shaw. the feeling was amazing….to be caught up in such a large crowd, to be yelling and waving signs and walking together in unity for something you care about…onlookers were honking from their cars, or waving at us, which gave us an extra boost and made us even louder. it was so much fun….and we even got 424 signatures to pressure the state legislature to pass a bill that will bring in more funding for state colleges! woohoo! we rock! ** still feeling the afterglow**
p.s. abc said that the walkout “was perhaps the largest demonstration on the Fresno State campus since the seventies” ! a big thank you to all who came!
the local news did some footage of our protest today:
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=7076635
for the past couple weeks i’ve been helping publicize the walkout on campus…. today, all our hard work paid off…around 400 students showed up, and we marched around campus and even out to shaw. the feeling was amazing….to be caught up in such a large crowd, to be yelling and waving signs and walking together in unity for something you care about…onlookers were honking from their cars, or waving at us, which gave us an extra boost and made us even louder. it was so much fun….and we even got 424 signatures to pressure the state legislature to pass a bill that will bring in more funding for state colleges! woohoo! we rock! ** still feeling the afterglow**
p.s. abc said that the walkout “was perhaps the largest demonstration on the Fresno State campus since the seventies” ! a big thank you to all who came!
It was really ironic to see many people in support of the walkout. I guess some of the main people were many of the elitist groups that got their 30 seconds of fame on the news. The funny thing about this is that most of the students receive some sort of financial aid and that was one of the factors that the CSU office came up with is to help those in need and to basically cover their costs. You here many stories that they won’t have time to study but have to work so that will hurt study time. Well, that is a reality check you think people in the real world are going to give a care when you get into a profession. You come up with an excuse your going to find your way out the door. It is great to protest but not for something as a walkout what does it accomplish nothing in my mind. I noticed most of the people that organized it were part of a Chicano group which have been vocal in the past which is their own business. If many in their group had so much organizational support what happened in the ASI elections they failed to take control. On the news you have idiots denouncing the ASI leaders which I don’t really care about but let them do their job. These chicano groups failed already getting members in office. I am not on here to bash anybody my parents were immigrants themselves from the Island of Cuba and they had to work hard. When my father got a job for the city making 24,000 a year I didn’t quality for any type of aid accept for loans. But I didn’t make a big deal about. That is wrong with our society not only to the people at the social services office or even college students. Everybody wants to milk the system like I think most of these college students that were in the walkout. Just remember those SUG grants and pell grants are supported by the taxpayers of California. It is people like myself in the medical field in the middle class are getting taxed for such educational programs. So, it is really tiring to see all these people in the walkout saying that they are, “victims of Society.” Get used to it that is life.
It was really ironic to see many people in support of the walkout. I guess some of the main people were many of the elitist groups that got their 30 seconds of fame on the news. The funny thing about this is that most of the students receive some sort of financial aid and that was one of the factors that the CSU office came up with is to help those in need and to basically cover their costs. You here many stories that they won’t have time to study but have to work so that will hurt study time. Well, that is a reality check you think people in the real world are going to give a care when you get into a profession. You come up with an excuse your going to find your way out the door. It is great to protest but not for something as a walkout what does it accomplish nothing in my mind. I noticed most of the people that organized it were part of a Chicano group which have been vocal in the past which is their own business. If many in their group had so much organizational support what happened in the ASI elections they failed to take control. On the news you have idiots denouncing the ASI leaders which I don’t really care about but let them do their job. These chicano groups failed already getting members in office. I am not on here to bash anybody my parents were immigrants themselves from the Island of Cuba and they had to work hard. When my father got a job for the city making 24,000 a year I didn’t quality for any type of aid accept for loans. But I didn’t make a big deal about. That is wrong with our society not only to the people at the social services office or even college students. Everybody wants to milk the system like I think most of these college students that were in the walkout. Just remember those SUG grants and pell grants are supported by the taxpayers of California. It is people like myself in the medical field in the middle class are getting taxed for such educational programs. So, it is really tiring to see all these people in the walkout saying that they are, “victims of Society.” Get used to it that is life.
today, i looked around me with pride at Fresno State students finally standing up and taking action. We collected over 400 signatures to give to legislators to pressure them to support AB 656. The best part is is that we are not done yet.
Students for Quality Education hopes you will join us on Oct. 28th in Psyh/Health/science rm 106 2pm to help us plan our next action.
today was epic and it couldn’t have been done with out all the hard work of the csu walkout coalition and the other sqe members. i am in debt to all these amazing passionate people
Please come and help us organize our next action…this ain’t over!
my fav. part about today was when i turned around, our march had no end in sight!
today, i looked around me with pride at Fresno State students finally standing up and taking action. We collected over 400 signatures to give to legislators to pressure them to support AB 656. The best part is is that we are not done yet.
Students for Quality Education hopes you will join us on Oct. 28th in Psyh/Health/science rm 106 2pm to help us plan our next action.
today was epic and it couldn’t have been done with out all the hard work of the csu walkout coalition and the other sqe members. i am in debt to all these amazing passionate people
Please come and help us organize our next action…this ain’t over!
my fav. part about today was when i turned around, our march had no end in sight!
First of all, if you really respect tax payer contribution, then you would want a good quality and affordable education, instead of having them pay a S*** load of money for a poor quality education.
Second of all, to those that say that nothing was accomplished, you are WRONG!!!. The Administration listened to students who participated in the event. On Nov. 3rd, there will be negotiations with the administration authorities, including Welty at the Peace Garden at 12:00 noon. We accomplished more by acting, rather than not doing anything and just accepting all the fee increases. Poor quality education and increases in Welty’s salary is what we get in return for the fee increases. This is not the end ,this is barely the beginning.
Also, this event was not organized by the same group from the elections…Please do not be so ignorant and do your research, the PEDRO Party was a totally different group. The walk out is a collaboration from many different organizations and students from different backgrounds.
First of all, if you really respect tax payer contribution, then you would want a good quality and affordable education, instead of having them pay a S*** load of money for a poor quality education.
Second of all, to those that say that nothing was accomplished, you are WRONG!!!. The Administration listened to students who participated in the event. On Nov. 3rd, there will be negotiations with the administration authorities, including Welty at the Peace Garden at 12:00 noon. We accomplished more by acting, rather than not doing anything and just accepting all the fee increases. Poor quality education and increases in Welty’s salary is what we get in return for the fee increases. This is not the end ,this is barely the beginning.
Also, this event was not organized by the same group from the elections…Please do not be so ignorant and do your research, the PEDRO Party was a totally different group. The walk out is a collaboration from many different organizations and students from different backgrounds.
yeah!!! drastic actions are most likely to accomplish than anything else!! the sit in at the four floor after the march was excellent and we got to set up a date and time to negotiate the DEMANDS with pres. Welty. WElty showed up after two hours of sit in at the four floor of the library!!!
For everyone, the Walkout Negotiation with pres. Welty will be on Tuesday Nov. 3 at 12 noon peace garden, if it rains…we’ll take it to the Satellite student Union at same time…that’s what we agreed on with pres. welty!!!
Shout outs to all the participating members in the walkout/rally/march…and sit in presenting the demands in the library!!! there was 82 students sitting in wating for welty to appear!!
yea… keep the activism going!!!
SaluDos!
yeah!!! drastic actions are most likely to accomplish than anything else!! the sit in at the four floor after the march was excellent and we got to set up a date and time to negotiate the DEMANDS with pres. Welty. WElty showed up after two hours of sit in at the four floor of the library!!!
For everyone, the Walkout Negotiation with pres. Welty will be on Tuesday Nov. 3 at 12 noon peace garden, if it rains…we’ll take it to the Satellite student Union at same time…that’s what we agreed on with pres. welty!!!
Shout outs to all the participating members in the walkout/rally/march…and sit in presenting the demands in the library!!! there was 82 students sitting in wating for welty to appear!!
yea… keep the activism going!!!
SaluDos!
im white and i was there! in solidarity with the mexicans
im white and i was there! in solidarity with the mexicans
Do you have a list of names you just randomly choose from for every online post that you post on trying to make it seem like it’s more than just you with the opinion or is it all memorized in your head like some evil plot?
i believe that the ignorance found on Fresno State is vast. People in this state, specifically the valley, lack passion for things that matter to their very own future. Here we have a group of organizers attempting to better the conditions of education, and we have people mocking their ethnicity. how ignorant can these idiots be? Please
Do you have a list of names you just randomly choose from for every online post that you post on trying to make it seem like it’s more than just you with the opinion or is it all memorized in your head like some evil plot?
i believe that the ignorance found on Fresno State is vast. People in this state, specifically the valley, lack passion for things that matter to their very own future. Here we have a group of organizers attempting to better the conditions of education, and we have people mocking their ethnicity. how ignorant can these idiots be? Please
Can we try to act like educated people. If you disagree with peoples points you discuss it not attack people for the color of their skin or the country they were born. First you take my land and now that you are attempting to take my education I’m to just let you take it. For the record i am not Mexican, American, or any other label you may decide to pin on me. I’m and indigenous to this land, I am native. And i speak and write the language of these idiots better then most of them do.
Can we try to act like educated people. If you disagree with peoples points you discuss it not attack people for the color of their skin or the country they were born. First you take my land and now that you are attempting to take my education I’m to just let you take it. For the record i am not Mexican, American, or any other label you may decide to pin on me. I’m and indigenous to this land, I am native. And i speak and write the language of these idiots better then most of them do.
thank you who !
thank you who !
I’m ashamed of the cultural ignorance that exists in our community when it is so diverse. The reason why some would not believe in activism to bring about awareness to change injustices is because the generations before them never had to. We’re university students but I question exactly why so much money is being spent on behalf of those who can surely afford it like myself, and still embarrass themselves of their ignorance and LACK of education. Obviously the university is doing a terrible job in educating the majority of students. Check up on your history.
I’m ashamed of the cultural ignorance that exists in our community when it is so diverse. The reason why some would not believe in activism to bring about awareness to change injustices is because the generations before them never had to. We’re university students but I question exactly why so much money is being spent on behalf of those who can surely afford it like myself, and still embarrass themselves of their ignorance and LACK of education. Obviously the university is doing a terrible job in educating the majority of students. Check up on your history.
I hope the editors/people at the Collegian take note of these comments and do a better job of deleting/approving certain comments.
I hope the editors/people at the Collegian take note of these comments and do a better job of deleting/approving certain comments.
Wait,Wasn’t Welty the one that increased the fees last year after the students had vote no?
Wait,Wasn’t Welty the one that increased the fees last year after the students had vote no?
Also, I suggest people get the facts from legitimate sources as opposed to just random people speaking about what’s going on and from this post. That way you will know the real facts as opposed to the wrong information.
Also, I suggest people get the facts from legitimate sources as opposed to just random people speaking about what’s going on and from this post. That way you will know the real facts as opposed to the wrong information.
Well what happened to the original discussion? All the hostility coming from ignorant people has turned this forum about a walkout into an immature, unnecessary argument in which blatent racism is being thrown around and supposed “educated” people are bickering.
Truly sad.
Well what happened to the original discussion? All the hostility coming from ignorant people has turned this forum about a walkout into an immature, unnecessary argument in which blatent racism is being thrown around and supposed “educated” people are bickering.
Truly sad.
a lot of people think the walk out was a waste of time. i would have to agree with most of that statement. i believe that things must get a lot more aggressive if things are going to change. taking school back a building at a time!
a lot of people think the walk out was a waste of time. i would have to agree with most of that statement. i believe that things must get a lot more aggressive if things are going to change. taking school back a building at a time!
Mari, education a right. Until you hit 18 years of age. You can’t expect a welfare system to take care of you cradle to grave. Primary and secondary education are by many measures, free to all who choose to utilize the public system—-your taxes cover it. Society needs adults to contribute at least partially into their higher education.
Mari, education a right. Until you hit 18 years of age. You can’t expect a welfare system to take care of you cradle to grave. Primary and secondary education are by many measures, free to all who choose to utilize the public system—-your taxes cover it. Society needs adults to contribute at least partially into their higher education.
He hate Me you are right, we shold let coorporation have control of our Universities…like CocaCola, or Ford, or Pizza hut…
He hate Me you are right, we shold let coorporation have control of our Universities…like CocaCola, or Ford, or Pizza hut…
The True is that we live ina capitalist system and we need more coorporation to pay for schools, teachers, books, and why not they should set the Curricula we ahould learn.
The True is that we live ina capitalist system and we need more coorporation to pay for schools, teachers, books, and why not they should set the Curricula we ahould learn.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
“Promote Genral Welfare” That sounds Familiar..it is in our constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
“Promote Genral Welfare” That sounds Familiar..it is in our constitution