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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/04/24/politically-correct-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-37287</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey No More--The real dictator was that midget brain who held the office from 2000 to 2008. Go find a nice deep swamp to fall into. You and your nasty-minded friends sure aren&#039;t liked in this country right now. Get this, less than 30 percent even want to identify themselves as Republicans because the party is filled with mental defectives and wingnuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey No More&#8211;The real dictator was that midget brain who held the office from 2000 to 2008. Go find a nice deep swamp to fall into. You and your nasty-minded friends sure aren&#8217;t liked in this country right now. Get this, less than 30 percent even want to identify themselves as Republicans because the party is filled with mental defectives and wingnuts.</p>
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		<title>By: No More Barack</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/04/24/politically-correct-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-37285</link>
		<dc:creator>No More Barack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 02:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NA, Katrina, Pat, DW, 
don&#039;t even begin to equate interracial marriage with same-sex marriage.  That&#039;s using a revisionist form of history that liberals always accuse and hound conservatives for.  Like Dictator Obama now getting tough on anti-terror measures adopted soon after the 9-11 attacks.  Come on-----you can&#039;t compare this era to that era.  If Thomas Jefferson was brought back to life by Obama&#039;s henchmen, would they have him arrested and tried for crimes against humanity because he owned slaves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NA, Katrina, Pat, DW,<br />
don&#8217;t even begin to equate interracial marriage with same-sex marriage.  That&#8217;s using a revisionist form of history that liberals always accuse and hound conservatives for.  Like Dictator Obama now getting tough on anti-terror measures adopted soon after the 9-11 attacks.  Come on&#8212;&#8211;you can&#8217;t compare this era to that era.  If Thomas Jefferson was brought back to life by Obama&#8217;s henchmen, would they have him arrested and tried for crimes against humanity because he owned slaves?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Murray</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/04/24/politically-correct-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-37276</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Kaley Delarosa.  That&#039;s a weak argument you have there.  And your quote is incorrect regarding her answer to the question.  That&#039;s a crucial basis to your argument, and it&#039;s wrong.

Carrie Prejean didn&#039;t &quot;stand by her convictions,&quot; or give an &quot;honest answer,&quot; or demonstrate &quot;true class,&quot; at all.  She began her answer by saying the following (and this is a quote):  &quot;I think it’s great we live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And you know what? In my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.&quot;

That is neither eloquent or accurate.  Americans don&#039;t get to choose gay marriage over &quot;opposite marriage.&quot;  In only a couple of states is gay marriage allowed.  And there is no such thing in this country as &quot;opposite marriage.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t even make sense.  Furthermore, she has no convictions to stand by.  She said, &quot;I think I believe...&quot;  Therefore, she doesn&#039;t even KNOW what she believes.

I feel sorry for this beauty contestant.  But she didn&#039;t win because Perez Hilton voted against her.  She lost because she gave a bad answer.  And with her answer, her beauty turned ugly real quick.  Pageant veterans also know about scoring:  The high and low scores and tossed out, and the others are averaged.  So even if Perez gave her the worst score, it was thrown out and not added into her final numbers.  Furthermore, she trailed Miss North Carolina in every single other competition throughout the night.  NBC flashed the scores throughout the competition and California was trailing all night long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Kaley Delarosa.  That&#8217;s a weak argument you have there.  And your quote is incorrect regarding her answer to the question.  That&#8217;s a crucial basis to your argument, and it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>Carrie Prejean didn&#8217;t &#8220;stand by her convictions,&#8221; or give an &#8220;honest answer,&#8221; or demonstrate &#8220;true class,&#8221; at all.  She began her answer by saying the following (and this is a quote):  &#8220;I think it’s great we live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And you know what? In my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is neither eloquent or accurate.  Americans don&#8217;t get to choose gay marriage over &#8220;opposite marriage.&#8221;  In only a couple of states is gay marriage allowed.  And there is no such thing in this country as &#8220;opposite marriage.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t even make sense.  Furthermore, she has no convictions to stand by.  She said, &#8220;I think I believe&#8230;&#8221;  Therefore, she doesn&#8217;t even KNOW what she believes.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for this beauty contestant.  But she didn&#8217;t win because Perez Hilton voted against her.  She lost because she gave a bad answer.  And with her answer, her beauty turned ugly real quick.  Pageant veterans also know about scoring:  The high and low scores and tossed out, and the others are averaged.  So even if Perez gave her the worst score, it was thrown out and not added into her final numbers.  Furthermore, she trailed Miss North Carolina in every single other competition throughout the night.  NBC flashed the scores throughout the competition and California was trailing all night long.</p>
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		<title>By: r</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/04/24/politically-correct-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-37222</link>
		<dc:creator>r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, here&#039;s a quick lesson on free speech: a person can value free speech without valuing what other people believe.  Through free speech, a member of the KKK can say, or write whatever they believe to be true.  That doesn&#039;t mean everyone will applaud their values.  Similarly, Hilton may value Miss. California&#039;s RIGHT to say what she wants, he simply didn&#039;t agree with what she said.

Second, as a Californian, you may remember the controversy surrounding Prop 8.  Sure, it passed, but only by 2.24%, meaning that about 47% of Californians support same-sex marriage.  Hilton, AS ONE OF A NUMBER OF JUDGES, simply gave her a score that many other supporters of same-sex marriage would have given her.  And he said that his score for her wasn&#039;t just because she was against same sex marriage, but because she was dumb.  The part of her response that you &quot;cleverly&quot; omitted in your article included the words,  &quot;We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.&quot;  Really?  America is a land where you can just choose same-sex marriage if you want to have it?  Oh Miss. California....

I really hope you start to take your job as a journalist seriously.  I&#039;ve read some well-argued op/ed in the past, that i may not have agreed with, but i certainly respected.  Your articles on calorie counting and the new telephone system were decent, perhaps you might want to stick to those while you work on your skills in argumentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, here&#8217;s a quick lesson on free speech: a person can value free speech without valuing what other people believe.  Through free speech, a member of the KKK can say, or write whatever they believe to be true.  That doesn&#8217;t mean everyone will applaud their values.  Similarly, Hilton may value Miss. California&#8217;s RIGHT to say what she wants, he simply didn&#8217;t agree with what she said.</p>
<p>Second, as a Californian, you may remember the controversy surrounding Prop 8.  Sure, it passed, but only by 2.24%, meaning that about 47% of Californians support same-sex marriage.  Hilton, AS ONE OF A NUMBER OF JUDGES, simply gave her a score that many other supporters of same-sex marriage would have given her.  And he said that his score for her wasn&#8217;t just because she was against same sex marriage, but because she was dumb.  The part of her response that you &#8220;cleverly&#8221; omitted in your article included the words,  &#8220;We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.&#8221;  Really?  America is a land where you can just choose same-sex marriage if you want to have it?  Oh Miss. California&#8230;.</p>
<p>I really hope you start to take your job as a journalist seriously.  I&#8217;ve read some well-argued op/ed in the past, that i may not have agreed with, but i certainly respected.  Your articles on calorie counting and the new telephone system were decent, perhaps you might want to stick to those while you work on your skills in argumentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dw is right.

You say you&#039;d think honesty would be a desirable trait in a Miss USA contestant. I agree.

But you&#039;re forgetting about other traits such as eloquence, grace and compassion — things Miss California clearly lacks. Just because she &quot;kept it real&quot; and spoke her mind doesn&#039;t make her a winner. Last time I checked, a person doesn&#039;t deserve a gold medal (or a crown, in this case) simply for giving an opinion, especially when that sentiment is discriminatory and diminishes the love two people have for each other. &quot;True class?&quot; You are mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dw is right.</p>
<p>You say you&#8217;d think honesty would be a desirable trait in a Miss USA contestant. I agree.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re forgetting about other traits such as eloquence, grace and compassion — things Miss California clearly lacks. Just because she &#8220;kept it real&#8221; and spoke her mind doesn&#8217;t make her a winner. Last time I checked, a person doesn&#8217;t deserve a gold medal (or a crown, in this case) simply for giving an opinion, especially when that sentiment is discriminatory and diminishes the love two people have for each other. &#8220;True class?&#8221; You are mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/04/24/politically-correct-crown/comment-page-1/#comment-37193</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perez Hilton did the right thing, given the rules--which didn&#039;t say a judge had to agree with the answer. She gave her opinion, wasn&#039;t told to shut up, and Perez did what he felt he needed to do. No one&#039;s &quot;freedom of speech&quot; was violated. In fact, there was no &quot;freedom of speech&quot; issue raised since this was a privately-organized event with no government participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perez Hilton did the right thing, given the rules&#8211;which didn&#8217;t say a judge had to agree with the answer. She gave her opinion, wasn&#8217;t told to shut up, and Perez did what he felt he needed to do. No one&#8217;s &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; was violated. In fact, there was no &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221; issue raised since this was a privately-organized event with no government participation.</p>
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		<title>By: wazzaaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>wazzaaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree with this article.... she deserves credit for being honest...... i think we live in  a world of walking on egg shells say how you feel about something and be honest, not more cookie cutter b.s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree with this article&#8230;. she deserves credit for being honest&#8230;&#8230; i think we live in  a world of walking on egg shells say how you feel about something and be honest, not more cookie cutter b.s.</p>
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		<title>By: N.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>N.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The underlying concern that was noted by the author, is that &#039;Free Speech&#039; is what&#039;s really at stake here.  Miss California was given a 0 by an infamous celebrity judge because her answer didn&#039;t agree with his one-sided opinions.  Since when did all of our opinions need to align?  Clearly, Hilton likes the idea of open-mindedness as long as it is fits into his pre-determined &quot;open-mindedness&quot;.  He even went as far to say that her answer should have conformed to that which would be representative of &quot;Miss USA&quot;... I wasn&#039;t aware that Miss USA had specified ideologies that needed to conform to his lack of self-confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underlying concern that was noted by the author, is that &#8216;Free Speech&#8217; is what&#8217;s really at stake here.  Miss California was given a 0 by an infamous celebrity judge because her answer didn&#8217;t agree with his one-sided opinions.  Since when did all of our opinions need to align?  Clearly, Hilton likes the idea of open-mindedness as long as it is fits into his pre-determined &#8220;open-mindedness&#8221;.  He even went as far to say that her answer should have conformed to that which would be representative of &#8220;Miss USA&#8221;&#8230; I wasn&#8217;t aware that Miss USA had specified ideologies that needed to conform to his lack of self-confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: EWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>EWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why was the gay (i mean guy) a celebrity judge anyway?  How does blogging make someone a celebrity?  Everyone has an opinion, just because you can use a keyboard and post that opinion and gossip online, you are somehow more relevant in the public eye and get called on to judge a once respectable event?  Our notion of &#039;celebrity&#039; has taken a turn for the worse----of it&#039;s been bad, but now-----</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why was the gay (i mean guy) a celebrity judge anyway?  How does blogging make someone a celebrity?  Everyone has an opinion, just because you can use a keyboard and post that opinion and gossip online, you are somehow more relevant in the public eye and get called on to judge a once respectable event?  Our notion of &#8216;celebrity&#8217; has taken a turn for the worse&#8212;-of it&#8217;s been bad, but now&#8212;&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: João Paulo</title>
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		<dc:creator>João Paulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the question was: &quot;Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize marriage between blacks and whites. Do you think every state should follow suit, why or why not?&quot; would everybody be ok if she said no due to &quot;personal beliefs&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the question was: &#8220;Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize marriage between blacks and whites. Do you think every state should follow suit, why or why not?&#8221; would everybody be ok if she said no due to &#8220;personal beliefs&#8221;?</p>
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