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	<title>Comments on: New separate but equal</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/03/11/new-separate-but-equal/comment-page-1/#comment-36409</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%, we need to have separation of church and state. That’s why I do not want the state to make a determination on what the religious term of marriage means. Let the churches decide what they want to sanction as marriage. 

The issue of gay marriage is either about granting gay’s legal rights or it’s about chipping away at religion. If it is truly about giving equal rights, then the solution is easy, change the legal state sanctioned term for all. If it’s about chipping away at religion, then we will continue this senseless debate. 

Some of you might be old enough to remember how the Stanford Cardinal were once called the Stanford Indians. They changed the name so not to offend American Indians, and rightly so. We have other sports team with American Indian nicknames. Should we change them all? Maybe so. Some people would say it’s not really offensive so leave it alone. Who’s right? 

Why are we sensitive to some cultures but immune to the other cultures? Whether you like it or not religion is an integral part of American cultural fabric. You may want to ignore that or try and rewrite history, but that’s a fact. 

So the real question remains, is this a simple matter of granting legal rights or is this a subversive attack on religious values?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%, we need to have separation of church and state. That’s why I do not want the state to make a determination on what the religious term of marriage means. Let the churches decide what they want to sanction as marriage. </p>
<p>The issue of gay marriage is either about granting gay’s legal rights or it’s about chipping away at religion. If it is truly about giving equal rights, then the solution is easy, change the legal state sanctioned term for all. If it’s about chipping away at religion, then we will continue this senseless debate. </p>
<p>Some of you might be old enough to remember how the Stanford Cardinal were once called the Stanford Indians. They changed the name so not to offend American Indians, and rightly so. We have other sports team with American Indian nicknames. Should we change them all? Maybe so. Some people would say it’s not really offensive so leave it alone. Who’s right? </p>
<p>Why are we sensitive to some cultures but immune to the other cultures? Whether you like it or not religion is an integral part of American cultural fabric. You may want to ignore that or try and rewrite history, but that’s a fact. </p>
<p>So the real question remains, is this a simple matter of granting legal rights or is this a subversive attack on religious values?</p>
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		<title>By: ultimate surrender dot com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ultimate surrender dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people have spoken.  Move on.  Barack brought out the minority vote in droves and gay Californians have him to thank for the passage of 8.  If gays want to take their anger out on anyone, look to blacks and Hispanics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people have spoken.  Move on.  Barack brought out the minority vote in droves and gay Californians have him to thank for the passage of 8.  If gays want to take their anger out on anyone, look to blacks and Hispanics.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniela Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniela Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

I understand the importance the term &#039;marriage&#039; has because of the religious associations made, however, the argument for gay marriage is not to allow same-sex unions to take place in churches but in courts officiated by government employees. Thus, marriage, in terms of religion, would not be changed within the realm of any particular religion but in terms of California&#039;s, and eventually, our nation&#039;s law. We do have to find something that works for all, and particularly because of that, I would also argue to uphold a church&#039;s right to decide whom they&#039;re willing to marry.

I agree that we should be tolerant of people&#039;s beliefs but when it comes to religion, decisions like whom you&#039;d like to marry, should not extend past the realm of that religion. When religious ideas exceed the boundaries of personal preference and invade a group&#039;s right under the government&#039;s law, a personal belief ceases to personal &#039;truths&#039; but becomes a set of ideologies forced upon another group. 

Finally, the issue with the marriage label is the fact that homosexual and heterosexual unions would both be under the same classification, that of a &#039;marriage.&#039; If we created a new label to be used on both, it&#039;s my guess the problem would remain, since the essential premise of the issue wouldn&#039;t be changed: all relationships, regardless of gender, would be classified under one term.  

Looking at the big picture, fighting for this equality is important to maintain all other freedoms, freedom of religion most definitely included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>I understand the importance the term &#8216;marriage&#8217; has because of the religious associations made, however, the argument for gay marriage is not to allow same-sex unions to take place in churches but in courts officiated by government employees. Thus, marriage, in terms of religion, would not be changed within the realm of any particular religion but in terms of California&#8217;s, and eventually, our nation&#8217;s law. We do have to find something that works for all, and particularly because of that, I would also argue to uphold a church&#8217;s right to decide whom they&#8217;re willing to marry.</p>
<p>I agree that we should be tolerant of people&#8217;s beliefs but when it comes to religion, decisions like whom you&#8217;d like to marry, should not extend past the realm of that religion. When religious ideas exceed the boundaries of personal preference and invade a group&#8217;s right under the government&#8217;s law, a personal belief ceases to personal &#8216;truths&#8217; but becomes a set of ideologies forced upon another group. </p>
<p>Finally, the issue with the marriage label is the fact that homosexual and heterosexual unions would both be under the same classification, that of a &#8216;marriage.&#8217; If we created a new label to be used on both, it&#8217;s my guess the problem would remain, since the essential premise of the issue wouldn&#8217;t be changed: all relationships, regardless of gender, would be classified under one term.  </p>
<p>Looking at the big picture, fighting for this equality is important to maintain all other freedoms, freedom of religion most definitely included.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2009/03/11/new-separate-but-equal/comment-page-1/#comment-36365</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate the thoughtful consideration of this controversial topic in your editorial today. While it is important to respect that people may disagree with same-sex marriage for religious reasons, in a pluralistic society that values both religious freedom and political &amp; legal equality, we should not rely on religious conviction and doctrine to determine who has marriage rights granted by the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate the thoughtful consideration of this controversial topic in your editorial today. While it is important to respect that people may disagree with same-sex marriage for religious reasons, in a pluralistic society that values both religious freedom and political &amp; legal equality, we should not rely on religious conviction and doctrine to determine who has marriage rights granted by the state.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay marriage is a very difficult issue for me. On one hand I belive gays should have equal rights - including marriage. On the other hand as a Christian the term &quot;marriage&quot; has an important meaning for me (as well as other Christians). So applying the term &quot;mariage&quot; to other than the biblical definiation is offensive. You can see my dilemma?

An analogy would be to use the “N” word to describe a black person. While some Caucasians would not find it offensive form their perspective, I think most of us would agree that this word should not be used. That example and many other show how we pride ourselves on being a tolerant society. Yet we seem to be so willing and eager to throw Christians under the bus. Why? Shouldn’t we find a solution that works for everyone? 
I  recent ly saw news article about some students that are trying to put a measure on the ballot that would neutralize marriage for all. That measure would eliminate the term marriage for all (both gay and straight) and use an alternative term to describe the legal relationship. That is the direction we should go and stop bashing each other. Let’s make it a win-win for all and stop this winner take all mentality that only brings forth much grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay marriage is a very difficult issue for me. On one hand I belive gays should have equal rights &#8211; including marriage. On the other hand as a Christian the term &#8220;marriage&#8221; has an important meaning for me (as well as other Christians). So applying the term &#8220;mariage&#8221; to other than the biblical definiation is offensive. You can see my dilemma?</p>
<p>An analogy would be to use the “N” word to describe a black person. While some Caucasians would not find it offensive form their perspective, I think most of us would agree that this word should not be used. That example and many other show how we pride ourselves on being a tolerant society. Yet we seem to be so willing and eager to throw Christians under the bus. Why? Shouldn’t we find a solution that works for everyone?<br />
I  recent ly saw news article about some students that are trying to put a measure on the ballot that would neutralize marriage for all. That measure would eliminate the term marriage for all (both gay and straight) and use an alternative term to describe the legal relationship. That is the direction we should go and stop bashing each other. Let’s make it a win-win for all and stop this winner take all mentality that only brings forth much grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, here!</p>
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