FresNO FameLess has sucked ever since Suzi Arnold left the scene.
Remember the original 1.0 design?

If not, check out:
www . thinkinkless . com/ ti_old / portfolio . html

Even before Suzi re-designed the site to that, Jarah spent more than 50% of the time North of Belmont avenue. The original name was: “FresnoFamous: Life Below Belmont”

If you look at it now, the whole dark, McCain (star), Imperialist look to it suites FresNO’s culture, and characters like Jery Dyer (with his shaved, skin-head), perfectly.

Fascist Fresno!!!

Don’t worry about people on FresNO FameLess … it may be “independent,” but it’s still just another McClatchy company publication (www . fresnofamous . com / node / 4520), and people in FresNO are finicky about things. Things haven’t been the same since Jarah sold it to the Fresno Bee, and especially since Jarah left Fresburg.

FresNO FameLess has sucked ever since Suzi Arnold left the scene.
Remember the original 1.0 design?

If not, check out:
www . thinkinkless . com/ ti_old / portfolio . html

Even before Suzi re-designed the site to that, Jarah spent more than 50% of the time North of Belmont avenue. The original name was: “FresnoFamous: Life Below Belmont”

If you look at it now, the whole dark, McCain (star), Imperialist look to it suites FresNO’s culture, and characters like Jery Dyer (with his shaved, skin-head), perfectly.

Fascist Fresno!!!

Don’t worry about people on FresNO FameLess … it may be “independent,” but it’s still just another McClatchy company publication (www . fresnofamous . com / node / 4520), and people in FresNO are finicky about things. Things haven’t been the same since Jarah sold it to the Fresno Bee, and especially since Jarah left Fresburg.

FresNO FameLess has sucked ever since Suzi Arnold left the scene.
Remember the original 1.0 design?

If not, check out:
www . thinkinkless . com/ ti_old / portfolio . html

Even before Suzi re-designed the site to that, Jarah spent more than 50% of the time North of Belmont avenue. The original name was: “FresnoFamous: Life Below Belmont”

If you look at it now, the whole dark, McCain (star), Imperialist look to it suites FresNO’s culture, and characters like Jery Dyer (with his shaved, skin-head), perfectly.

Fascist Fresno!!!

Don’t worry about people on FresNO FameLess … it may be “independent,” but it’s still just another McClatchy company publication (www . fresnofamous . com / node / 4520), and people in FresNO are finicky about things. Things haven’t been the same since Jarah sold it to the Fresno Bee, and especially since Jarah left Fresburg.

FresNO Fameless Link:
www . fresnofamous . com / content / collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless:
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as you did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

FresNO Fameless Link:
www . fresnofamous . com / content / collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless:
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as you did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

FresNO Fameless Link:
www . fresnofamous . com / content / collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless:
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as you did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

FresNO Fameless Link:
http://www.fresnofamous.com/content/collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless, I suppose???::
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as the video did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

FresNO Fameless Link:
http://www.fresnofamous.com/content/collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless, I suppose???::
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as the video did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

FresNO Fameless Link:
http://www.fresnofamous.com/content/collegian-needs-stop-asking-questions

Your response to FresNO Fameless, I suppose???::
——————–
enjoyable mini-rant
Submitted by Famous Guest on Tue, 12/02/2008 – 20:54

hahaha this is hilarious.
I am one half of the team that goes out every Monday at noon to ask questions of students for The Collegian. We choose different locations every time and the goal is to get 7 people who even stop to talk to us. From our video it goes through the Opinion editor and then a multimedia editor. These students are willing to put on the microphone, tell us who they are, and answer the random question of the week. WE don’t purposly make students look unintelligent. If they come of that way, well that’s the way it goes. We actually stood outside the Speech Arts when we asked the KFSR question.

So “dingbats?” Uncalled for.
But the best is yet to come.
——————–

My Question to you:
Is this “article” you purport to have written, “the best yet to come.”

Because if so, I think you’re probably facing as much heat over it as the video did on FresNO Fameless.

You know … I wish I could be a photographer. I wish I could show the world, the beauty in it that I see through my eyes … capture that perfect picture that I see so many others capturing. But I faced a fact about myself a while back: I’m not a professional or amateur photographer. It is not for lack of trying, or desire, but that I can’t get that perfect picture. I’m not gifted in this way, as others are to get it, and grab my attention with it. Sometimes you just face facts about yourself.

Would you show-off what you’ve written / published thus far for job interviews? Think about it that way. What you’ve written – does it belong to Fresno State – or your personal experience? If it’s your personal experience, doesn’t it belong someplace else. If it’s a school experience, where’s the thoughts / questioning of other students for the piece, and subsequent opinion?

Would you show-off what you’ve written / published thus far for job interviews? Think about it that way. What you’ve written – does it belong to Fresno State – or your personal experience? If it’s your personal experience, doesn’t it belong someplace else. If it’s a school experience, where’s the thoughts / questioning of other students for the piece, and subsequent opinion?

Would you show-off what you’ve written / published thus far for job interviews? Think about it that way. What you’ve written – does it belong to Fresno State – or your personal experience? If it’s your personal experience, doesn’t it belong someplace else. If it’s a school experience, where’s the thoughts / questioning of other students for the piece, and subsequent opinion?

You are correct though … attacking you for student responses is as dumb as the student responses. (Fcuk You FresNO Fameless)

For those of you who have defended Fresno in comments: Fcuk you, TOO. Here’s the fact … CSUF students are kinda dumb like this because it’s just Fresno … it’s not HARVARD. I keep saying this, yet some people JUST DON’T LISTEN!!! If you were Harvard quality (like my cousin from even more podunk Reedley getting a full-ride scholarship), you would be there. But, alas, you’re not, and you’re stuck here … so make the best of it. Might as well become FresYES, leave, and come back. (Not you Jessica, I’m on the same page w/ you on this point – leave and don’t come back.)

It’s called Brain Drain. I came back to school to finish what I started, and that’s that for Fresburg for me. My brain is drained just by being here and putting up with “dumb is as dumber does” culture. And I have no qualms with saying something against the (brainless) hometown-hoedown culture here. The only advantage to Fresno is its easy access to all significant areas of CA in 2-3 hours.

Jessica:
WRITE ABOUT NEWS, NOT ABOUT YOU. I don’t care about you, your name, etc …
Blockbuster article … okay
Texting article … okay
What’s in a name … NOBODY CARES
KFSR video … Seriously, what’s the point of the question?
You never stated a preface or premise for this question / prompt, and then only got a few people to comment (usually you might at least want to try and balance it out – maybe pull a stunt like walking INTO the studio and asking an on-air DJ if he listen’s to his own radio station)

You have to be creative to grab people’s attention (but not a fiction writer, like Gomes).

If you’re major is MCJ/Communications, or whatever, then write for your audience (it’s called learning). If you want to write in a journal, or for therapy … do that … start a blog, or post your frustrations on MySuck. I read The Collegian as a break from the daily grind. I got into the habit last semester, and now I’m stuck with it — and some lame-ducks this semester. Hopefully the experience helps w/ next semester.

The first part of this article was okay. The last part sucked (the ending where you leave your readers with your summarized thoughts). You left personal “Opinions” that no one cares about. If, on the other hand, you were to make some interesting one-line observations as “Opinions” about the stupid nature of the FresnoFamous post, that would have gone further than your personal life cr@p. Go figure.

“How is this worthy of print?”
So maybe BEFORE publishing something (actually wasting paper or electrons), this question should be asked if something is NEWSWORTHY!!!

I actually e-mailed and asked (if this person hasn’t already shared or discussed it w/ the office) my favorite remaining Collegian author about such “lame-duck” articles coming out of The Collegian. I figure it’s for lack of experience, or lack of caring.

If you look at my comments on the ASI / CSSA funding / budget issues, I didn’t take issue with the writer who WROTE something NEWSWORTHY. It didn’t even occur to me. That’s good writing.

I also don’t interpret the Collegian as a “creative writing” class in which to “swerve through traffic stealthy while on my goddm@n cellphone in violation and protest of laws I don’t like.”

It’s nice to have something to pick-up and read that’s not the Fresno Bee. It’s nice to hear campus voices speaking about campus matters. I don’t care about you all that much. Your opinion on a campus matter might interest me though.

Oh, and let’s not forget that you have used at least one of your co-workers, at least once, in your “CampusSpeak” episodes … and you KNOW you can do better.

If you don’t like the criticism, I think you have any of a number of options:
1.) You can just brush it off as a learning experience … and write opinions on matters that matter for students and the school, for the school newspaper, and leave your personal writing in your journal or personal blog.
2.) Reach over the counter and smack me if you don’t like my words (IF you know who I am).
3.) Improve.
4.) Tuck Tail & Run for a different major.

>> “in Fresno because the atmosphere suffocates creativity, passion and kindness.”
TRUE

>> “I hate Dane Cook still for his crater-face, the material he has stolen, and the movies he has ruined.”
I don’t know Dane Cook, but if I were as spiteful as you sound, I’d hate you for ruining what was a more interesting CSUF News Source last semester (Not the Jessica-centric paper of this semester). This is a statement of fact / preference on your part.

>> “I had so much fun attending my first strip club a couple of months ago that I keep trying to convince my guy friends to take me again.”
??? AGAIN: NOBODY CARES ???
This is not an “Opinion.” This is a statement of fact / preference. It is like begging for more attention via attempting to entice readers personal to you (not for GA).
(FYI: It’s just a phase; you’re behind the 8-ball Ms. I’m going to graduate next semester.)

>> “I think pirates are cooler than ninjas. They function while drunk and sail the seven seas.”
This is an opinion.
Who cares?

Why don’t you stick to your day/night job? You’re much more entertaining when you’re bantering w/ your co-workers as if nobody is in the store (says a lot for me, eh?); but as irritating when you’re whining and complaining about something to them. (Ever notice how nobody likes or appreciates whiners / complainers.)

You are correct though … attacking you for student responses is as dumb as the student responses. (Fcuk You FresNO Fameless)

For those of you who have defended Fresno in comments: Fcuk you, TOO. Here’s the fact … CSUF students are kinda dumb like this because it’s just Fresno … it’s not HARVARD. I keep saying this, yet some people JUST DON’T LISTEN!!! If you were Harvard quality (like my cousin from even more podunk Reedley getting a full-ride scholarship), you would be there. But, alas, you’re not, and you’re stuck here … so make the best of it. Might as well become FresYES, leave, and come back. (Not you Jessica, I’m on the same page w/ you on this point – leave and don’t come back.)

It’s called Brain Drain. I came back to school to finish what I started, and that’s that for Fresburg for me. My brain is drained just by being here and putting up with “dumb is as dumber does” culture. And I have no qualms with saying something against the (brainless) hometown-hoedown culture here. The only advantage to Fresno is its easy access to all significant areas of CA in 2-3 hours.

Jessica:
WRITE ABOUT NEWS, NOT ABOUT YOU. I don’t care about you, your name, etc …
Blockbuster article … okay
Texting article … okay
What’s in a name … NOBODY CARES
KFSR video … Seriously, what’s the point of the question?
You never stated a preface or premise for this question / prompt, and then only got a few people to comment (usually you might at least want to try and balance it out – maybe pull a stunt like walking INTO the studio and asking an on-air DJ if he listen’s to his own radio station)

You have to be creative to grab people’s attention (but not a fiction writer, like Gomes).

If you’re major is MCJ/Communications, or whatever, then write for your audience (it’s called learning). If you want to write in a journal, or for therapy … do that … start a blog, or post your frustrations on MySuck. I read The Collegian as a break from the daily grind. I got into the habit last semester, and now I’m stuck with it — and some lame-ducks this semester. Hopefully the experience helps w/ next semester.

The first part of this article was okay. The last part sucked (the ending where you leave your readers with your summarized thoughts). You left personal “Opinions” that no one cares about. If, on the other hand, you were to make some interesting one-line observations as “Opinions” about the stupid nature of the FresnoFamous post, that would have gone further than your personal life cr@p. Go figure.

“How is this worthy of print?”
So maybe BEFORE publishing something (actually wasting paper or electrons), this question should be asked if something is NEWSWORTHY!!!

I actually e-mailed and asked (if this person hasn’t already shared or discussed it w/ the office) my favorite remaining Collegian author about such “lame-duck” articles coming out of The Collegian. I figure it’s for lack of experience, or lack of caring.

If you look at my comments on the ASI / CSSA funding / budget issues, I didn’t take issue with the writer who WROTE something NEWSWORTHY. It didn’t even occur to me. That’s good writing.

I also don’t interpret the Collegian as a “creative writing” class in which to “swerve through traffic stealthy while on my goddm@n cellphone in violation and protest of laws I don’t like.”

It’s nice to have something to pick-up and read that’s not the Fresno Bee. It’s nice to hear campus voices speaking about campus matters. I don’t care about you all that much. Your opinion on a campus matter might interest me though.

Oh, and let’s not forget that you have used at least one of your co-workers, at least once, in your “CampusSpeak” episodes … and you KNOW you can do better.

If you don’t like the criticism, I think you have any of a number of options:
1.) You can just brush it off as a learning experience … and write opinions on matters that matter for students and the school, for the school newspaper, and leave your personal writing in your journal or personal blog.
2.) Reach over the counter and smack me if you don’t like my words (IF you know who I am).
3.) Improve.
4.) Tuck Tail & Run for a different major.

>> “in Fresno because the atmosphere suffocates creativity, passion and kindness.”
TRUE

>> “I hate Dane Cook still for his crater-face, the material he has stolen, and the movies he has ruined.”
I don’t know Dane Cook, but if I were as spiteful as you sound, I’d hate you for ruining what was a more interesting CSUF News Source last semester (Not the Jessica-centric paper of this semester). This is a statement of fact / preference on your part.

>> “I had so much fun attending my first strip club a couple of months ago that I keep trying to convince my guy friends to take me again.”
??? AGAIN: NOBODY CARES ???
This is not an “Opinion.” This is a statement of fact / preference. It is like begging for more attention via attempting to entice readers personal to you (not for GA).
(FYI: It’s just a phase; you’re behind the 8-ball Ms. I’m going to graduate next semester.)

>> “I think pirates are cooler than ninjas. They function while drunk and sail the seven seas.”
This is an opinion.
Who cares?

Why don’t you stick to your day/night job? You’re much more entertaining when you’re bantering w/ your co-workers as if nobody is in the store (says a lot for me, eh?); but as irritating when you’re whining and complaining about something to them. (Ever notice how nobody likes or appreciates whiners / complainers.)

You are correct though … attacking you for student responses is as dumb as the student responses. (Fcuk You FresNO Fameless)

For those of you who have defended Fresno in comments: Fcuk you, TOO. Here’s the fact … CSUF students are kinda dumb like this because it’s just Fresno … it’s not HARVARD. I keep saying this, yet some people JUST DON’T LISTEN!!! If you were Harvard quality (like my cousin from even more podunk Reedley getting a full-ride scholarship), you would be there. But, alas, you’re not, and you’re stuck here … so make the best of it. Might as well become FresYES, leave, and come back. (Not you Jessica, I’m on the same page w/ you on this point – leave and don’t come back.)

It’s called Brain Drain. I came back to school to finish what I started, and that’s that for Fresburg for me. My brain is drained just by being here and putting up with “dumb is as dumber does” culture. And I have no qualms with saying something against the (brainless) hometown-hoedown culture here. The only advantage to Fresno is its easy access to all significant areas of CA in 2-3 hours.

Jessica:
WRITE ABOUT NEWS, NOT ABOUT YOU. I don’t care about you, your name, etc …
Blockbuster article … okay
Texting article … okay
What’s in a name … NOBODY CARES
KFSR video … Seriously, what’s the point of the question?
You never stated a preface or premise for this question / prompt, and then only got a few people to comment (usually you might at least want to try and balance it out – maybe pull a stunt like walking INTO the studio and asking an on-air DJ if he listen’s to his own radio station)

You have to be creative to grab people’s attention (but not a fiction writer, like Gomes).

If you’re major is MCJ/Communications, or whatever, then write for your audience (it’s called learning). If you want to write in a journal, or for therapy … do that … start a blog, or post your frustrations on MySuck. I read The Collegian as a break from the daily grind. I got into the habit last semester, and now I’m stuck with it — and some lame-ducks this semester. Hopefully the experience helps w/ next semester.

The first part of this article was okay. The last part sucked (the ending where you leave your readers with your summarized thoughts). You left personal “Opinions” that no one cares about. If, on the other hand, you were to make some interesting one-line observations as “Opinions” about the stupid nature of the FresnoFamous post, that would have gone further than your personal life cr@p. Go figure.

“How is this worthy of print?”
So maybe BEFORE publishing something (actually wasting paper or electrons), this question should be asked if something is NEWSWORTHY!!!

I actually e-mailed and asked (if this person hasn’t already shared or discussed it w/ the office) my favorite remaining Collegian author about such “lame-duck” articles coming out of The Collegian. I figure it’s for lack of experience, or lack of caring.

If you look at my comments on the ASI / CSSA funding / budget issues, I didn’t take issue with the writer who WROTE something NEWSWORTHY. It didn’t even occur to me. That’s good writing.

I also don’t interpret the Collegian as a “creative writing” class in which to “swerve through traffic stealthy while on my goddm@n cellphone in violation and protest of laws I don’t like.”

It’s nice to have something to pick-up and read that’s not the Fresno Bee. It’s nice to hear campus voices speaking about campus matters. I don’t care about you all that much. Your opinion on a campus matter might interest me though.

Oh, and let’s not forget that you have used at least one of your co-workers, at least once, in your “CampusSpeak” episodes … and you KNOW you can do better.

If you don’t like the criticism, I think you have any of a number of options:
1.) You can just brush it off as a learning experience … and write opinions on matters that matter for students and the school, for the school newspaper, and leave your personal writing in your journal or personal blog.
2.) Reach over the counter and smack me if you don’t like my words (IF you know who I am).
3.) Improve.
4.) Tuck Tail & Run for a different major.

>> “in Fresno because the atmosphere suffocates creativity, passion and kindness.”
TRUE

>> “I hate Dane Cook still for his crater-face, the material he has stolen, and the movies he has ruined.”
I don’t know Dane Cook, but if I were as spiteful as you sound, I’d hate you for ruining what was a more interesting CSUF News Source last semester (Not the Jessica-centric paper of this semester). This is a statement of fact / preference on your part.

>> “I had so much fun attending my first strip club a couple of months ago that I keep trying to convince my guy friends to take me again.”
??? AGAIN: NOBODY CARES ???
This is not an “Opinion.” This is a statement of fact / preference. It is like begging for more attention via attempting to entice readers personal to you (not for GA).
(FYI: It’s just a phase; you’re behind the 8-ball Ms. I’m going to graduate next semester.)

>> “I think pirates are cooler than ninjas. They function while drunk and sail the seven seas.”
This is an opinion.
Who cares?

Why don’t you stick to your day/night job? You’re much more entertaining when you’re bantering w/ your co-workers as if nobody is in the store (says a lot for me, eh?); but as irritating when you’re whining and complaining about something to them. (Ever notice how nobody likes or appreciates whiners / complainers.)