Comments on: Letters to the editor http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/ Serving California State University, Fresno since 1922. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:24:06 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34910 Christopher Elledge Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:43:34 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34910 I was not referring to undeclared?'s typos, it was his overall spelling and CONTENT that made no sense and was irrelevant to the editorial. Harper was the one to bring up "typos." Some people that post comments on here are just pathetic. Apparently some of these pathetic people find it offensive to thank someone in a comment. People have strayed way too far from the original topic. I am done here. Every email that I get from this site will be deleted in order to not waste my time dealing with incompetent people. I was not referring to undeclared?’s typos, it was his overall spelling and CONTENT that made no sense and was irrelevant to the editorial. Harper was the one to bring up “typos.” Some people that post comments on here are just pathetic. Apparently some of these pathetic people find it offensive to thank someone in a comment. People have strayed way too far from the original topic. I am done here. Every email that I get from this site will be deleted in order to not waste my time dealing with incompetent people.

]]> By: student http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34897 student Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:04:06 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34897 Christopher: Actually, I didn't find undeclared?'s statements that hard to understand as far as typos go. Jose actually had more. Punctuation is a di Christopher: Actually, I didn’t find undeclared?’s statements that hard to understand as far as typos go. Jose actually had more. Punctuation is a di

]]> By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34882 Christopher Elledge Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:17:12 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34882 Harper was the one to bring up the thought of typos when what i wrote to undeclared? is that his overall spelling and content was completely off. I understand typos here and there, but when it's as bad as undeclared, it becomes a mess. If you were to read all the comments you would find it ironic that undeclared? lacks these basic writing skills but yet goes out of his/her way to assume that I am uneducated. Get real. If you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones. Besides, do you honestly think that I would use typos as some sort of last minute defense to win an argument? What did you expect?...that I would bash on every single comment that had a typo? Also, is it a crime to thank someone for their positive feedback? It's called common courtesy, which appears isn't too common in your life. Harper was the one to bring up the thought of typos when what i wrote to undeclared? is that his overall spelling and content was completely off. I understand typos here and there, but when it’s as bad as undeclared, it becomes a mess. If you were to read all the comments you would find it ironic that undeclared? lacks these basic writing skills but yet goes out of his/her way to assume that I am uneducated. Get real. If you live in a glass house you shouldn’t throw stones. Besides, do you honestly think that I would use typos as some sort of last minute defense to win an argument? What did you expect?…that I would bash on every single comment that had a typo? Also, is it a crime to thank someone for their positive feedback? It’s called common courtesy, which appears isn’t too common in your life.

]]> By: BulldogsinNM http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34879 BulldogsinNM Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:41:14 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34879 i just wanted to note something cause i was following this debate but isnt Christoper Elledge going to also make fun of Jose for his typos? or is it just cause he came to your aid you thanked him? you did that to the other guy, assuming he is a guy. Please dont attack me though i was just bringing up a thought, PEACE :) i just wanted to note something cause i was following this debate but isnt Christoper Elledge going to also make fun of Jose for his typos? or is it just cause he came to your aid you thanked him? you did that to the other guy, assuming he is a guy. Please dont attack me though i was just bringing up a thought, PEACE :)

]]> By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34876 Christopher Elledge Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:49:43 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34876 Thank you Jennifer and Jose. I appreciate the feedback. Thank you Jennifer and Jose. I appreciate the feedback.

]]> By: Jose http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34862 Jose Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:54:07 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34862 Christopher Elledge, usually when I posts like these I just read them and move on but I just couldn’t help but provide some insight. First of all I just want to start by saying “undeclared” is an idiot. I wanted to make that clear since I can see he or she needs to be addressed in a direct manner, in order to understand anything. The title of your post clearly stated what you were writing about, uneducated voters who lack understanding of social issues. They fail to realize the immense process involved in policy decisions, specially at a national level. There are so many idiots who have been thinking that the election of Obama will bring change to things that are out of his immediate control. If you take gas prices as an example, it would be highly unlikely that new policies would have a greater effect than supply/demand or OPEC. I’m sure that situations like these is what you were alluding to. “Unfeasible” is the perfect way to describe them. Mentioning that the uneducated vote should not have an impact on policy decisions doesn’t mean that you advocating for their exclusion from voting all together but that representatives should not pander to people who want their personal problems fixed without regard for the issue at hand. You post was pretty simple and made perfect sense so I just want to end by once again stating that “undeclared” is an idiot. Christopher Elledge, usually when I posts like these I just read them and move on but I just couldn’t help but provide some insight. First of all I just want to start by saying “undeclared” is an idiot. I wanted to make that clear since I can see he or she needs to be addressed in a direct manner, in order to understand anything. The title of your post clearly stated what you were writing about, uneducated voters who lack understanding of social issues. They fail to realize the immense process involved in policy decisions, specially at a national level. There are so many idiots who have been thinking that the election of Obama will bring change to things that are out of his immediate control. If you take gas prices as an example, it would be highly unlikely that new policies would have a greater effect than supply/demand or OPEC. I’m sure that situations like these is what you were alluding to. “Unfeasible” is the perfect way to describe them. Mentioning that the uneducated vote should not have an impact on policy decisions doesn’t mean that you advocating for their exclusion from voting all together but that representatives should not pander to people who want their personal problems fixed without regard for the issue at hand. You post was pretty simple and made perfect sense so I just want to end by once again stating that “undeclared” is an idiot.

]]> By: jennifer http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34847 jennifer Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:37:55 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34847 christopher I just want to say I agree because I was pretty much thinking everything you said. christopher I just want to say I agree because I was pretty much thinking everything you said.

]]> By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34789 Christopher Elledge Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:55:19 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34789 Harper..."if only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power." That as you put it is a "no brainer." The whole point of me writing the editorial was to spark interest and to rant, which it has obviously done. It simply was an opinion which some people have taken way too far. Also, comparing my laughing with a physically disabled person is taking it to the extreme. I found it kind of ironic how undeclared? was labeling me as some uneducated student who has "no passion" or "experience" when undeclared? struggles to write a legible comment, and that doesn't just mean the typos but the overall content. I couldn't help but laugh. And if you can recall, undeclared? started his first opinion by attacking the writer instead of the message and he went on to do so in every comment that followed. I think undeclared? changed the tone of the argument with that first comment he made. It also appears that you like to attack the writer as you wrote..."the sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote." Maybe you missed that but hey, "I'm just telling you how it is." Harper…”if only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power.” That as you put it is a “no brainer.” The whole point of me writing the editorial was to spark interest and to rant, which it has obviously done. It simply was an opinion which some people have taken way too far. Also, comparing my laughing with a physically disabled person is taking it to the extreme. I found it kind of ironic how undeclared? was labeling me as some uneducated student who has “no passion” or “experience” when undeclared? struggles to write a legible comment, and that doesn’t just mean the typos but the overall content. I couldn’t help but laugh. And if you can recall, undeclared? started his first opinion by attacking the writer instead of the message and he went on to do so in every comment that followed. I think undeclared? changed the tone of the argument with that first comment he made. It also appears that you like to attack the writer as you wrote…”the sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote.” Maybe you missed that but hey, “I’m just telling you how it is.”

]]> By: Jared Harper http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34788 Jared Harper Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:32:40 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34788 I have watched this string of comments go back and forth. It has been silly but interesting. This comment is for both of you. First Undeclared ? has strong points mentioning Electoral College. If only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power. Second, I see the conversation turned to a battle of the brains, yet it seems you had the lesser Chris. Let me explain. You couldn’t respond to Undeclared with any more intelligible argument therefore you had to resort to low blows calling him out on bad typos. Not to mention you think it’s funny (like laughing at a physically disabled person who walks differently yet they are actually walking just not in your able bodied eyes) Humans making simple typos doesn’t equal a lesser intelligence. People tend to change the tone of an argument in way that you have in order to stray from the fact that you lost the battle. It’s a psychological defense that humans use to stray from the truth. You attack the messenger instead of the message and im just “telling you how it is” Oh yes and K Hope, I agree, democracy died long ago. Actually I don’t believe this country ever had one, but don’t quote me on that (someone actually might). The sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote. I digress from that ideology and feel citizens are miseducated because they don’t realize they give up so much power in a Republic. Had we a real democracy the masses might have more access to their resources and have the ability to be better educated. I have watched this string of comments go back and forth. It has been silly but interesting. This comment is for both of you. First Undeclared ? has strong points mentioning Electoral College. If only Christopher, you reminded yourself of why it exists before writing an opinion. Your elected representatives know better than falling for uneducated voters who shout and cry for rapid democratic change. Of course it takes time that’s a no brainer. They don’t want a revolution or they lose power. Second, I see the conversation turned to a battle of the brains, yet it seems you had the lesser Chris. Let me explain. You couldn’t respond to Undeclared with any more intelligible argument therefore you had to resort to low blows calling him out on bad typos. Not to mention you think it’s funny (like laughing at a physically disabled person who walks differently yet they are actually walking just not in your able bodied eyes) Humans making simple typos doesn’t equal a lesser intelligence. People tend to change the tone of an argument in way that you have in order to stray from the fact that you lost the battle. It’s a psychological defense that humans use to stray from the truth. You attack the messenger instead of the message and im just “telling you how it is”

Oh yes and K Hope, I agree, democracy died long ago. Actually I don’t believe this country ever had one, but don’t quote me on that (someone actually might). The sad thing is people write opinions believing uneducated people shouldn’t vote. I digress from that ideology and feel citizens are miseducated because they don’t realize they give up so much power in a Republic. Had we a real democracy the masses might have more access to their resources and have the ability to be better educated.

]]> By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34782 Christopher Elledge Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:38:13 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34782 HAHAHA!!! Thanks again for the good laugh. I didn't mention the electoral college because I thought that I would not have to, but since you seem so keen on TRYING to make another insightful comment, go right ahead. At least this time around it was almost legible. Maybe you should do some studying on your own, that way you can actually have a decent comment. Some advice for the next time you try and comment on something...learn how to read, write, spell, and actually comment on what the writer wrote, not on whatever you can think of to try and make yourself look smart. I am done here, unless you want to keep on entertaining and providing me with a good laugh. HAHAHA!!! Thanks again for the good laugh. I didn’t mention the electoral college because I thought that I would not have to, but since you seem so keen on TRYING to make another insightful comment, go right ahead. At least this time around it was almost legible. Maybe you should do some studying on your own, that way you can actually have a decent comment. Some advice for the next time you try and comment on something…learn how to read, write, spell, and actually comment on what the writer wrote, not on whatever you can think of to try and make yourself look smart. I am done here, unless you want to keep on entertaining and providing me with a good laugh.

]]> By: K Hope http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34780 K Hope Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:27:17 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34780 The Electoral College? Now that is something we dont hear about too often until election night. How would anyone forget the Electoral College? Uneducated voters? Dont worry the Republic will take care of them. Is it just me or do far too many people think we have a Democracy when all we really have is a Republic? The Electoral College? Now that is something we dont hear about too often until election night. How would anyone forget the Electoral College? Uneducated voters? Dont worry the Republic will take care of them. Is it just me or do far too many people think we have a Democracy when all we really have is a Republic?

]]> By: undecalred ? http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34779 undecalred ? Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:18:41 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34779 poor poor, CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE....little do you know that your wish was already granted long ago when the founding fathers wrote the documents to govern this country. That is why we have the electoral college. Remember from 8th grade? i think we all learned about this....unless you were sleeping in class, which i know i did often. Our vote means nothing when selecting presidents. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE supresses and acknowledges the fact that there are too many uneducated voters out there. Had you known how voting truly works, you would have no reason to think uneducated people should not vote. Oh yeah and it was a laugh, it is common sense that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them i hope we all did that this year, but in regards to OBAMA and the ELECTORAL COLLEGE what i meant by that statement is that OBAMA seemed to be the candidate that could make that change happen for BOTH parties, this is why he won the most electoral college votes. The majority in the EC realized that if there is to be any change for both, OBAMA would make it happen. unless you have anything more to say that you can already find your answer to should you just do some simple studying and research im done teaching you...... poor poor, CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE….little do you know that your wish was already granted long ago when the founding fathers wrote the documents to govern this country. That is why we have the electoral college.

Remember from 8th grade? i think we all learned about this….unless you were sleeping in class, which i know i did often.

Our vote means nothing when selecting presidents. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE supresses and acknowledges the fact that there are too many uneducated voters out there. Had you known how voting truly works, you would have no reason to think uneducated people should not vote.

Oh yeah and it was a laugh, it is common sense that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them i hope we all did that this year, but in regards to OBAMA and the ELECTORAL COLLEGE what i meant by that statement is that OBAMA seemed to be the candidate that could make that change happen for BOTH parties, this is why he won the most electoral college votes. The majority in the EC realized that if there is to be any change for both, OBAMA would make it happen.

unless you have anything more to say that you can already find your answer to should you just do some simple studying and research im done teaching you……

]]> By: Christopher Elledge http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34770 Christopher Elledge Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:16:12 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34770 Hey undeclared?...thanks for the good laugh. I found it amusing that you went as far as to say that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them. This is common sense. Yet again, you “missed the point” of my editorial. I am tired of ignorant people creating false ideas about what Obama will be able to do. I am tired of people holding Obama up to such a high standard and thinking of him as some kind of saviour. What will these so called citizens say when Obama does not do everything that they dream of? Why should these voters have pride in their own false ideas that they think up? Obama captured my vote but not because of some false idea that I created in my mind that he would somehow magically be able to do. I know that all the problems that our nation is facing will not be resolved instantly when he takes office in January. I do expect Obama to provide some needed change to our nation but I know that he will not be able to fix everything. I know he will go through struggles just like any other president but the uneducated who voted for him do not know this. Obama was clearly the better candidate and could have easily won without all those uneducated votes which were based off of their own false ideas. The uneducated should have no voice because in the end, they know nothing. Hey undeclared?…thanks for the good laugh. I found it amusing that you went as far as to say that people vote for the candidate in which they think will provide the best change for them. This is common sense. Yet again, you “missed the point” of my editorial. I am tired of ignorant people creating false ideas about what Obama will be able to do. I am tired of people holding Obama up to such a high standard and thinking of him as some kind of saviour. What will these so called citizens say when Obama does not do everything that they dream of? Why should these voters have pride in their own false ideas that they think up? Obama captured my vote but not because of some false idea that I created in my mind that he would somehow magically be able to do. I know that all the problems that our nation is facing will not be resolved instantly when he takes office in January. I do expect Obama to provide some needed change to our nation but I know that he will not be able to fix everything. I know he will go through struggles just like any other president but the uneducated who voted for him do not know this. Obama was clearly the better candidate and could have easily won without all those uneducated votes which were based off of their own false ideas. The uneducated should have no voice because in the end, they know nothing.

]]> By: Jiggallo Jim http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34769 Jiggallo Jim Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:58:19 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34769 True Obama ran a stellar and picture perfect campaign. His policies are scary, but maybe he has transcended the two party mindframe that has demaged this nation under the Clinton and Bush monarchy. True Obama ran a stellar and picture perfect campaign. His policies are scary, but maybe he has transcended the two party mindframe that has demaged this nation under the Clinton and Bush monarchy.

]]> By: Undeclared ? http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/12/03/letters-to-the-editor-10/comment-page-1/#comment-34767 Undeclared ? Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:42:28 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/?p=7892#comment-34767 CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE..... in regards to you believing i was unable to analyze your simple editorial, well i did. Now your taking it elsewhere. You clearly mentioned OBAMA's name giving your opinion a connection to what your belief about uneducated voters. You may not have clearly bad mouthed him but your bad mouthing the voters who voted for him..... "I’m tired of hearing so many ignorant people shout and scream that all their problems are going to go away just because Barack Obama won the presidential election"... and since he won the election which goes againts what i assume you belive should have been the victor, it can be assumed you are boud mouthing OBAMA because those who voted for him are uneducated therefore OBAMA is a miseducated leading President right? Now back to the point i was trying to make.....you are tired and annoyed Ok so be it. But you still didnt understand what i was saying as to why these people are enabled to do so and with much pride. Because Obama clearly had this strategy down in his campaign and people tend to vote for the person that seems most likely to create the change they are seeking. And while you may be tired of it, and it bothers me too, im not complaining. i actually commend those who figured out how to do it. more powere to them. CHRISTOPHER ELLEDGE…..

in regards to you believing i was unable to analyze your simple editorial, well i did.

Now your taking it elsewhere. You clearly mentioned OBAMA’s name giving your opinion a connection to what your belief about uneducated voters.

You may not have clearly bad mouthed him but your bad mouthing the voters who voted for him…..

“I’m tired of hearing so many ignorant people shout and scream that all their problems are going to go away just because Barack Obama won the presidential election”…

and since he won the election which goes againts what i assume you belive should have been the victor, it can be assumed you are boud mouthing OBAMA because those who voted for him are uneducated therefore OBAMA is a miseducated leading President right?

Now back to the point i was trying to make…..you are tired and annoyed Ok so be it. But you still didnt understand what i was saying as to why these people are enabled to do so and with much pride. Because Obama clearly had this strategy down in his campaign and people tend to vote for the person that seems most likely to create the change they are seeking. And while you may be tired of it, and it bothers me too, im not complaining. i actually commend those who figured out how to do it. more powere to them.

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