Same-sex marriages are NOT legal in Finland!! Let me educate you where it’s legal:

South Africa, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Canada, Norway (beinging Jan-01-2009), the U.S. states of Massachusetts, and Connecticut.

Oh, and if you did your research, you would see that out of all the states in the U.S., Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate still, and they’ve had gay marriage for more than 4 years.

Same-sex marriages are NOT legal in Finland!! Let me educate you where it’s legal:

South Africa, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Canada, Norway (beinging Jan-01-2009), the U.S. states of Massachusetts, and Connecticut.

Oh, and if you did your research, you would see that out of all the states in the U.S., Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate still, and they’ve had gay marriage for more than 4 years.

While i accept that the argument may be weak. It is still part of the equation.

Two of the things that I feel did the worst damage for the gay cause in the media..

1) Gavin Newsom boasts that, “whether you like it or not”

Because it’s clearer now that we, the people don’t like it, and don’t like having it shoved down our throats.

2) Gay Marriage Day For 1st Graders.

Taking a class 1st Graders (that had permission, granted) to a gay marriage hit to close to home with many parents. It may have seemed that logical thing to do from the gay perspective. But this was not like taking them to watch the first moon launch. It only shocked many parents into drawing a line and feeling it had been crossed.

While i accept that the argument may be weak. It is still part of the equation.

Two of the things that I feel did the worst damage for the gay cause in the media..

1) Gavin Newsom boasts that, “whether you like it or not”

Because it’s clearer now that we, the people don’t like it, and don’t like having it shoved down our throats.

2) Gay Marriage Day For 1st Graders.

Taking a class 1st Graders (that had permission, granted) to a gay marriage hit to close to home with many parents. It may have seemed that logical thing to do from the gay perspective. But this was not like taking them to watch the first moon launch. It only shocked many parents into drawing a line and feeling it had been crossed.

Yes, But both of those classes are electives and are not required. A parent can very easily not allow their child to be part of them. In fact a permission slip is sent home with a full list of the curriculum of such classes, so the student doesn’t get to end up in one of those classes without the parents permission. ( I checked with two of the local schools.)

This simply is not a good argument in any form to not allow it.

Yes, But both of those classes are electives and are not required. A parent can very easily not allow their child to be part of them. In fact a permission slip is sent home with a full list of the curriculum of such classes, so the student doesn’t get to end up in one of those classes without the parents permission. ( I checked with two of the local schools.)

This simply is not a good argument in any form to not allow it.

“Education Code section 51933 makes it clear that schools that teach “comprehensive sex education” have to teach, “respect for marriage and committed relationships”. This is something no school district can get around.”

“Education Code section 51933 makes it clear that schools that teach “comprehensive sex education” have to teach, “respect for marriage and committed relationships”. This is something no school district can get around.”

They are suddenly going to start teaching about marriage in school because gay marriage is now allowed? I have two girls in school. One is half way through high school. They never had a class that taught about marriage. Not once.

So that argument is not valid. Schools aren’t going to suddenly start teaching about marriage because gay marriage is suddenly legal.

Also in the state of California where this law is going to be passed any parent may remove their student from a class that teaches anything they don’t wish their child to learn. It’s in the law. Check it out. I know. I have used it in the past.

They are suddenly going to start teaching about marriage in school because gay marriage is now allowed? I have two girls in school. One is half way through high school. They never had a class that taught about marriage. Not once.

So that argument is not valid. Schools aren’t going to suddenly start teaching about marriage because gay marriage is suddenly legal.

Also in the state of California where this law is going to be passed any parent may remove their student from a class that teaches anything they don’t wish their child to learn. It’s in the law. Check it out. I know. I have used it in the past.

PS, Please don’t insult my intelligence trying to say they don’t have to teach gay marriage in schools ( I have seen the ads), just look how fundamental rights are used to make the case for gay marriage. It is clear that if it remains law. The first time it’s challenged in a school the gay rights groups will be right there trying to shut down the school and have all the teachers that don’t want to teach gay marriage fired. If you say that is not going to happen then you are only fooling yourselfs… They will be there waving the law, tossing personal rights and tolerance out the window. You ask how can i say this… because gay or not it’s what the winner of any battle would do..

PS, Please don’t insult my intelligence trying to say they don’t have to teach gay marriage in schools ( I have seen the ads), just look how fundamental rights are used to make the case for gay marriage. It is clear that if it remains law. The first time it’s challenged in a school the gay rights groups will be right there trying to shut down the school and have all the teachers that don’t want to teach gay marriage fired. If you say that is not going to happen then you are only fooling yourselfs… They will be there waving the law, tossing personal rights and tolerance out the window. You ask how can i say this… because gay or not it’s what the winner of any battle would do..

So let me ask you, my fellow proponents who are prepared to vote no on prop 8. Do any of my views make you uncomfortable? Would you have a problem with public schools teaching your children that polyandry, polygyny, marriage of man and beast and marriage to family members is normal and equal in the eyes of the state? If my comments make you uncomfortable, then you are to narrow minded, insensitive, and intolerant. Why must the definition of marriage in California be numerically, sexually and specie restrictive. Let me remind you, people like me love people, animals and lots of other things; and I want, no demand the right to marry all of them. I ask you, my fellow Californians who are prepared to vote no on proposition 8, to respond and support truly unrestricted marriage in California. Will you, my fellow ‘no on 8′ voters pledge to support those of us who want to marry beast, cousin and multiple persons?

So let me ask you, my fellow proponents who are prepared to vote no on prop 8. Do any of my views make you uncomfortable? Would you have a problem with public schools teaching your children that polyandry, polygyny, marriage of man and beast and marriage to family members is normal and equal in the eyes of the state? If my comments make you uncomfortable, then you are to narrow minded, insensitive, and intolerant. Why must the definition of marriage in California be numerically, sexually and specie restrictive. Let me remind you, people like me love people, animals and lots of other things; and I want, no demand the right to marry all of them. I ask you, my fellow Californians who are prepared to vote no on proposition 8, to respond and support truly unrestricted marriage in California. Will you, my fellow ‘no on 8′ voters pledge to support those of us who want to marry beast, cousin and multiple persons?