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	<title>Comments on: Drinking age should stay at 21</title>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/10/13/drinking-age-should-stay-at-21/comment-page-1/#comment-40819</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wats up yall im jessica and im 17 and i feel the legal age should stay 21 cause at 18 wat do u knw about alchol?nothing they are babies still but hit me up on my email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wats up yall im jessica and im 17 and i feel the legal age should stay 21 cause at 18 wat do u knw about alchol?nothing they are babies still but hit me up on my email.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/10/13/drinking-age-should-stay-at-21/comment-page-1/#comment-40671</link>
		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yall are missing the point that if the legal age was 18 then it would make them feel more mature and not want to drink every oppornuity they get and when little kids in jr. high and young high schoolers want alcohol then the 18 year olds will be like just wait a couple of years ...i did... 

And also their parents and other organizations can show them how to responsibily drink and NOT drive. And it would not be in the shadows as it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yall are missing the point that if the legal age was 18 then it would make them feel more mature and not want to drink every oppornuity they get and when little kids in jr. high and young high schoolers want alcohol then the 18 year olds will be like just wait a couple of years &#8230;i did&#8230; </p>
<p>And also their parents and other organizations can show them how to responsibily drink and NOT drive. And it would not be in the shadows as it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: shaquana</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaquana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totaly think dat the age shold be lowerd</description>
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		<title>By: chandlyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>chandlyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iam soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry! this is terrible ;(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iam soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry! this is terrible ;(</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/10/13/drinking-age-should-stay-at-21/comment-page-1/#comment-35423</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the points of both sides and I have an innovative idea.

We should lower the drinking age, but we should also lower the legal limit to 0.01 for everybody.

(I say 0.01 so that people aren&#039;t being prosecuted for driving home after communion.  I don&#039;t know what level communion causes, if it&#039;s actually 0.001 I&#039;d support that instead. Most states don&#039;t even have 0.01 as the legal limit for under 21, usually it&#039;s 0.02)

The reason people at any age drink and drive is because they think they haven&#039;t had enough to go over the legal limit.  Putting it that low would make it clear to anyone who has dranken enough to actually be drunk that they&#039;re over the limit even if they think they&#039;re still sober.  It would also spur the growth of public transportation, which would create jobs and decrease gasoline usuage.

Furthermore laws against one thing (drinking) to stop people from doing another thing that is penalized more greatly (drinking and driving) doesn&#039;t make logical sense. If a person isn&#039;t deterred by penalties against drunk driving, which are more severe than just underaged drinking then there&#039;s no reason they would be deterred by penalties against drinking at all, so even if the increase in drinking age lead to lower drunk driving accidents (if because  correlation does not prove causation, other factors could&#039;ve caused the decrease) it would&#039;ve been because people who would&#039;ve drank and drove just drank instead, because they knew if they drove and any alcohol was found in their system they&#039;d be guilty of drunk driving. By setting the limit at 0.01 it actually increases the risk that a person who&#039;s had even a little alcohol will be guilty of DWI, so if we did that all people including people under 21 would be more careful to avoid drinking and driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the points of both sides and I have an innovative idea.</p>
<p>We should lower the drinking age, but we should also lower the legal limit to 0.01 for everybody.</p>
<p>(I say 0.01 so that people aren&#8217;t being prosecuted for driving home after communion.  I don&#8217;t know what level communion causes, if it&#8217;s actually 0.001 I&#8217;d support that instead. Most states don&#8217;t even have 0.01 as the legal limit for under 21, usually it&#8217;s 0.02)</p>
<p>The reason people at any age drink and drive is because they think they haven&#8217;t had enough to go over the legal limit.  Putting it that low would make it clear to anyone who has dranken enough to actually be drunk that they&#8217;re over the limit even if they think they&#8217;re still sober.  It would also spur the growth of public transportation, which would create jobs and decrease gasoline usuage.</p>
<p>Furthermore laws against one thing (drinking) to stop people from doing another thing that is penalized more greatly (drinking and driving) doesn&#8217;t make logical sense. If a person isn&#8217;t deterred by penalties against drunk driving, which are more severe than just underaged drinking then there&#8217;s no reason they would be deterred by penalties against drinking at all, so even if the increase in drinking age lead to lower drunk driving accidents (if because  correlation does not prove causation, other factors could&#8217;ve caused the decrease) it would&#8217;ve been because people who would&#8217;ve drank and drove just drank instead, because they knew if they drove and any alcohol was found in their system they&#8217;d be guilty of drunk driving. By setting the limit at 0.01 it actually increases the risk that a person who&#8217;s had even a little alcohol will be guilty of DWI, so if we did that all people including people under 21 would be more careful to avoid drinking and driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the drinking age should be up to age 25 and not 21. To me at age 21 you are not consious of what you are doing. The maturinty level to drink in my view should be age 25. Same with smoking, I think people should smoke at age 23 and not 18 years old. If I could change these laws I would do it in a heart beat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the drinking age should be up to age 25 and not 21. To me at age 21 you are not consious of what you are doing. The maturinty level to drink in my view should be age 25. Same with smoking, I think people should smoke at age 23 and not 18 years old. If I could change these laws I would do it in a heart beat.</p>
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		<title>By: Mcrmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mcrmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well blake then your a nub and your a dee dee dee</description>
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		<title>By: blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s how i see it, if you are old enough to hold a gun and get shot at over seas then you are old enough to hold a beer in your hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s how i see it, if you are old enough to hold a gun and get shot at over seas then you are old enough to hold a beer in your hand.</p>
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		<title>By: trisha</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/10/13/drinking-age-should-stay-at-21/comment-page-1/#comment-33609</link>
		<dc:creator>trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that the drinking age should stay at 21 because if you are under 21 you still are&#039;nt mature enough to drink they just think it&#039;s cool to drink and don&#039;t think about the consiquenis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that the drinking age should stay at 21 because if you are under 21 you still are&#8217;nt mature enough to drink they just think it&#8217;s cool to drink and don&#8217;t think about the consiquenis</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss, you can only scapegoat the age of the person who drank and drove  that killed your friend,  now you have laid blame to all 18-20 year-old&#039;s, this is what lead to prohibition.  You are just a later-day Carrie Nation.  Do you like sequels? &quot;Emancipation Day II&quot; is at hand!! It&#039;s time to let freedom reign!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss, you can only scapegoat the age of the person who drank and drove  that killed your friend,  now you have laid blame to all 18-20 year-old&#8217;s, this is what lead to prohibition.  You are just a later-day Carrie Nation.  Do you like sequels? &#8220;Emancipation Day II&#8221; is at hand!! It&#8217;s time to let freedom reign!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kp</title>
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		<dc:creator>kp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Sarai Armenta, sorry about the loss of your cousin&#039;s fiance.  That is such a tragedy. 

Next point, I love this debate.  Why?  Because nobody ever presents a great argument for either side, whether it be for lowering the drinking age or against.  Every argument I see is flawed and unpersuasive, and in all honesty, I know that I probably cannot successfully argue this debate well enough to convince all that either the minimum age should be lowered or should stay the same.  It is entertaining though to see others try and subsequently, fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Sarai Armenta, sorry about the loss of your cousin&#8217;s fiance.  That is such a tragedy. </p>
<p>Next point, I love this debate.  Why?  Because nobody ever presents a great argument for either side, whether it be for lowering the drinking age or against.  Every argument I see is flawed and unpersuasive, and in all honesty, I know that I probably cannot successfully argue this debate well enough to convince all that either the minimum age should be lowered or should stay the same.  It is entertaining though to see others try and subsequently, fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Abraham</title>
		<link>http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2008/10/13/drinking-age-should-stay-at-21/comment-page-1/#comment-32205</link>
		<dc:creator>Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AARON you should be more rational,  When reading this story i knew someone would bring up the same old comparison about age 18

......well if we can vote and go to war, buy pornography, why cant we drink?........

Please thats getting old. Those are completely different issues. There are logical reasons for not bringing down the alcohol drinking age. And yes we know people of older ages dont drink responisbly however, you missed the point. underage people already get easy access to alcohol just revisit the recent ASI story but my point is that should it be bumped to lower ages, how much easier is it goin to be accessed by teenagers and then underage kids who are not teenagers?

Its a way to protect the youth that are in high school and even jr high. They should be worried about school, education and other things not about how cool it is to access alcohol and be drinking. Allowing eighteen year olds the legal right will bring alcohol that much closer to younger people and into high schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AARON you should be more rational,  When reading this story i knew someone would bring up the same old comparison about age 18</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;well if we can vote and go to war, buy pornography, why cant we drink?&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Please thats getting old. Those are completely different issues. There are logical reasons for not bringing down the alcohol drinking age. And yes we know people of older ages dont drink responisbly however, you missed the point. underage people already get easy access to alcohol just revisit the recent ASI story but my point is that should it be bumped to lower ages, how much easier is it goin to be accessed by teenagers and then underage kids who are not teenagers?</p>
<p>Its a way to protect the youth that are in high school and even jr high. They should be worried about school, education and other things not about how cool it is to access alcohol and be drinking. Allowing eighteen year olds the legal right will bring alcohol that much closer to younger people and into high schools.</p>
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		<title>By: wacko</title>
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		<dc:creator>wacko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with letting 18 year olds make these type of decisions (getting married, sex, alcohol, joining the military, etc) is most (not all) arent mature enough or ready for the responsibility. THats why there is a 50% divorce ratio.  Have you ever gone to a party with 18-21 most of them are drunk out of their minds and do not have the common sense to pace themselves. This is a major problem, considering the deaths and things that have occured near campus in recent years. As far as the statistics of 21-54 year olds getting in accidents, well duh, of course their numbers are higher they can purchase alcohol leagally. If you give a bunch of 18 year olds that opportunity, i bet you anything there will be more deaths in that age group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with letting 18 year olds make these type of decisions (getting married, sex, alcohol, joining the military, etc) is most (not all) arent mature enough or ready for the responsibility. THats why there is a 50% divorce ratio.  Have you ever gone to a party with 18-21 most of them are drunk out of their minds and do not have the common sense to pace themselves. This is a major problem, considering the deaths and things that have occured near campus in recent years. As far as the statistics of 21-54 year olds getting in accidents, well duh, of course their numbers are higher they can purchase alcohol leagally. If you give a bunch of 18 year olds that opportunity, i bet you anything there will be more deaths in that age group.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,

I am sorry to hear about the loss of you friend and his death’s repercussions on your family.  I cannot possibly know what that must have felt like.

When reading your article, I notice that you do not mention the age of the drunk driver who killed your friend, only the fact that he was over the age of 21.  This clearly illustrates the fact that there are people of all ages, even over 21, that make very bad choices.

But…

I disagree with your conclusion that we should keep the drinking age at 21 if it saves so much as one life.  Many other regulations that abridge rights and liberties would save lives.  Think of how many lives would be saved if guns were outlawed?

Since you affirm that those over the age of 21 can make the wrong choices about drinking and driving, you immediately assume that adults between the ages of 18 and 20 must make worse choices.  Besides age discrimination against adults, this is inaccurate if you look at the numbers.

www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810616.PDF

The numbers of drunk driving accidents, measured by percentage and numbers, are higher for all age groups of the population aged 21-54 than for the 16-20 year old statistics.  So, alcohol wise, that age group is the most responsible now.

Why is it that when an 18 year old becomes an adult, can vote, can enter into binding legal contracts, can get married, can act in and buy pornography and be held fully responsible for their actions, they are treated as juveniles when it comes to alcohol?  We agree that at the age of 21 no brilliant wisdom emerges that makes you more able to make good decisions.

What we need is stricter enforcement of the drunk driving laws that are in place (since drunk driving and the age of alcohol purchase are separate issues) AND encourage a healthy drinking culture of drinking in moderation to complement social encounters and good food.  

Not foster a culture where the first time people experience alcohol they form a pattern of drinking to get drunk since they cannot legally drink at all, despite being adults.  

Treat ALL adults the same by giving them the same rights along with the same responsibilities.  And hold them all accountable for their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear about the loss of you friend and his death’s repercussions on your family.  I cannot possibly know what that must have felt like.</p>
<p>When reading your article, I notice that you do not mention the age of the drunk driver who killed your friend, only the fact that he was over the age of 21.  This clearly illustrates the fact that there are people of all ages, even over 21, that make very bad choices.</p>
<p>But…</p>
<p>I disagree with your conclusion that we should keep the drinking age at 21 if it saves so much as one life.  Many other regulations that abridge rights and liberties would save lives.  Think of how many lives would be saved if guns were outlawed?</p>
<p>Since you affirm that those over the age of 21 can make the wrong choices about drinking and driving, you immediately assume that adults between the ages of 18 and 20 must make worse choices.  Besides age discrimination against adults, this is inaccurate if you look at the numbers.</p>
<p>www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810616.PDF</p>
<p>The numbers of drunk driving accidents, measured by percentage and numbers, are higher for all age groups of the population aged 21-54 than for the 16-20 year old statistics.  So, alcohol wise, that age group is the most responsible now.</p>
<p>Why is it that when an 18 year old becomes an adult, can vote, can enter into binding legal contracts, can get married, can act in and buy pornography and be held fully responsible for their actions, they are treated as juveniles when it comes to alcohol?  We agree that at the age of 21 no brilliant wisdom emerges that makes you more able to make good decisions.</p>
<p>What we need is stricter enforcement of the drunk driving laws that are in place (since drunk driving and the age of alcohol purchase are separate issues) AND encourage a healthy drinking culture of drinking in moderation to complement social encounters and good food.  </p>
<p>Not foster a culture where the first time people experience alcohol they form a pattern of drinking to get drunk since they cannot legally drink at all, despite being adults.  </p>
<p>Treat ALL adults the same by giving them the same rights along with the same responsibilities.  And hold them all accountable for their actions.</p>
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