Unenlightened Simpleton!? Ha. I came to Fresno State in the Fall of 2006. I don’t bring up topics that where before my time here at State; as well memory’s that friends don’t like to talk about. Its really NONE of my business.

Did I say it was a “hush-hush” topic? No. I clearly stated that the Gentlemen of FIJI Fraternity have faced the schools and Greek community’s decision of what they thought was best for the house.

Unenlightened Simpleton!? Ha. I came to Fresno State in the Fall of 2006. I don’t bring up topics that where before my time here at State; as well memory’s that friends don’t like to talk about. Its really NONE of my business.

Did I say it was a “hush-hush” topic? No. I clearly stated that the Gentlemen of FIJI Fraternity have faced the schools and Greek community’s decision of what they thought was best for the house.

I hate to break it to you all but a majority of the “Who’s Who” of Fresno is Alumni and Alumnus of Fresno States Greek System. For example, the Downey Planetarium is from an endowment from a Greek.

Cops are called on Greeks when there are in violation of PC 373a which is quite frequently because of the occupants of the Section Eight housing. Fresno PD as well as the University Police Department continuously circle “Greek Row” and also use the Problem Oriented Policing model. (Yes, I am Criminology (& Psychology) major and I am throwing out phrases and codes, not to look smart like the rest of you are, but to make a point. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, feel free to Google the term just like how whoever Googled Mackee and researched his life.)

In conclusion, I would like to know what the Greek GPA has to do with the current topic at hand?

I hate to break it to you all but a majority of the “Who’s Who” of Fresno is Alumni and Alumnus of Fresno States Greek System. For example, the Downey Planetarium is from an endowment from a Greek.

Cops are called on Greeks when there are in violation of PC 373a which is quite frequently because of the occupants of the Section Eight housing. Fresno PD as well as the University Police Department continuously circle “Greek Row” and also use the Problem Oriented Policing model. (Yes, I am Criminology (& Psychology) major and I am throwing out phrases and codes, not to look smart like the rest of you are, but to make a point. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, feel free to Google the term just like how whoever Googled Mackee and researched his life.)

In conclusion, I would like to know what the Greek GPA has to do with the current topic at hand?

If you haze, you as members of that fraternity can be brought up on charges. If you furnish booze to minors, same deal. Questioning the actions of the Greek system at Fresno State is NOT, I repeat, NOT off limits to any member of the campus community, city of Fresno, or California at large.

If you haze, you as members of that fraternity can be brought up on charges. If you furnish booze to minors, same deal. Questioning the actions of the Greek system at Fresno State is NOT, I repeat, NOT off limits to any member of the campus community, city of Fresno, or California at large.

You are a riot!

“Don’t make up what I mean and argue against that.”

You are the one that said “no (emphasis on no) laws are clear.” So you are saying I should have ignored what you actually said. Does that mean I should ignore what you just said as well? Now you are trying to claim that you haven’t been arguing that people who are not members of Greek organizations shouldn’t comment on this issue because they don’t know what is really going on? Great, I’m happy that you concede that is a ridiculous position to take. When you argue against my position that current rules and guidelines regarding these types of issues involving school organizations, including greeks, should be clarified and university oversight strengthened, then you are saying that the current policy where the rules don’t stipulate what has to be reported, is the way it should be. Why then, if that is your position, would you deny it by saying you never wrote that the rules don’t say everything or even what has to be reported? You state that you are not saying the rules must remain unclear, but then argue that the current rules are fine because the greeks interpret them. You ask what they could be protecting themselves against by speaking with their advisor. The fact that you can’t see the various liability issues that come up involving underage drinking, or any other illegal activity, is ample evidence that you could use the sage advice of someone outside your group. As I pointed out, it also makes it more difficult for the university to arbitrarily punish an organization for something when their faculty advisor was fully aware of what was going on and had not counseled an alternative course.
Finally, you write that “you are using these devices to get away from the real issue.” That is a line that applies to you Mackee, not me. I have repeatedly said that my main concern here is the level of university oversight and the clarity of rules and guidelines provided to all involved in these matters. The question is not “whether a sorority should be held accountable for helping a drunk girl out,” but whether a sometimes you tell, sometimes you don’t, no one knows where the line is, approach is the right one for all involved. While I would have recommended that the girls inform their advisor, advocating for greater clarity is not the same as saying that under a new approach they must. Improving communication and giving better guidelines means just that. Where the lines are drawn is something that all the parties involved should discuss and negotiate.
Since that has been my position from the beginning of the post, and I don’t think you are too stupid to grasp my point, I can only conclude that you have simply taken the stance that any criticism of the way things currently are, is an attack on the greeks. For the record, I have no problem with the Greeks. I just find the idea of waiting until something bad happens before making changes to be foolish and shortsighted.