Comments on: Aiming for the future http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/ Serving California State University, Fresno since 1922. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Raking the Leaves http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-22249 Raking the Leaves Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:22 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-22249 Yeah, why not America's game? Why such a brutal sport? I played baseball. Its serenity and graces always enriched my life and lives of the fans. Go Bulldogs! Yeah, why not America’s game? Why such a brutal sport? I played baseball. Its serenity and graces always enriched my life and lives of the fans.

Go Bulldogs!

]]> By: Raking the Leaves http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42803 Raking the Leaves Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42803 Yeah, why not America's game? Why such a brutal sport? I played baseball. Its serenity and graces always enriched my life and lives of the fans. Go Bulldogs! Yeah, why not America’s game? Why such a brutal sport? I played baseball. Its serenity and graces always enriched my life and lives of the fans.

Go Bulldogs!

]]> By: Benjamin Baxter http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21858 Benjamin Baxter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:10:47 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21858 Employers in technical fields are never impressed by just a degree. Employers are more impressed by practical experience, which Fresno State students have in spades. We'll never beat CalTech at desirability, though -- but less because it has old-school prestige and more because it also forces its students into internships and the like. Way I hear it, our engineering types are preferred by a whole lot of employers over people from schools ranked higher than us in funding. Why? Our students have to work through school, and end up working in their fields of interest. If you need the prestige, you're probably looking into graduate education. By all means go to an Ivy League school for graduate study. That's not really what we do here. Employers in technical fields are never impressed by just a degree. Employers are more impressed by practical experience, which Fresno State students have in spades.

We’ll never beat CalTech at desirability, though — but less because it has old-school prestige and more because it also forces its students into internships and the like.

Way I hear it, our engineering types are preferred by a whole lot of employers over people from schools ranked higher than us in funding. Why? Our students have to work through school, and end up working in their fields of interest.

If you need the prestige, you’re probably looking into graduate education. By all means go to an Ivy League school for graduate study.

That’s not really what we do here.

]]> By: Benjamin Baxter http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42802 Benjamin Baxter Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:10:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42802 Employers in technical fields are never impressed by just a degree. Employers are more impressed by practical experience, which Fresno State students have in spades. We'll never beat CalTech at desirability, though -- but less because it has old-school prestige and more because it also forces its students into internships and the like. Way I hear it, our engineering types are preferred by a whole lot of employers over people from schools ranked higher than us in funding. Why? Our students have to work through school, and end up working in their fields of interest. If you need the prestige, you're probably looking into graduate education. By all means go to an Ivy League school for graduate study. That's not really what we do here. Employers in technical fields are never impressed by just a degree. Employers are more impressed by practical experience, which Fresno State students have in spades.

We’ll never beat CalTech at desirability, though — but less because it has old-school prestige and more because it also forces its students into internships and the like.

Way I hear it, our engineering types are preferred by a whole lot of employers over people from schools ranked higher than us in funding. Why? Our students have to work through school, and end up working in their fields of interest.

If you need the prestige, you’re probably looking into graduate education. By all means go to an Ivy League school for graduate study.

That’s not really what we do here.

]]> By: Well http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21846 Well Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:51:57 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21846 Well I agree that the professors might not spend much time or teach the students at those IV League schools, but I doubt any of us could deny the amount of doors that would never open without the prestige of attending a school like Harvard. I mean come on, as far as the working future is concerned for students, there are plenty of reasons to want to go to a prestigious academic school regardless of what anyone actually learns there. And because it's so hard to actually get into these schools, the students are at a much different level and require a different teaching approach. I'm not putting down fresno state. It's never going to be in the league of other prestigious universities, but we could at least try to focus on academics and being a school where employers are impressed by the degree. Well I agree that the professors might not spend much time or teach the students at those IV League schools, but I doubt any of us could deny the amount of doors that would never open without the prestige of attending a school like Harvard.

I mean come on, as far as the working future is concerned for students, there are plenty of reasons to want to go to a prestigious academic school regardless of what anyone actually learns there.

And because it’s so hard to actually get into these schools, the students are at a much different level and require a different teaching approach.

I’m not putting down fresno state. It’s never going to be in the league of other prestigious universities, but we could at least try to focus on academics and being a school where employers are impressed by the degree.

]]> By: Well http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42801 Well Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:51:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42801 Well I agree that the professors might not spend much time or teach the students at those IV League schools, but I doubt any of us could deny the amount of doors that would never open without the prestige of attending a school like Harvard. I mean come on, as far as the working future is concerned for students, there are plenty of reasons to want to go to a prestigious academic school regardless of what anyone actually learns there. And because it's so hard to actually get into these schools, the students are at a much different level and require a different teaching approach. I'm not putting down fresno state. It's never going to be in the league of other prestigious universities, but we could at least try to focus on academics and being a school where employers are impressed by the degree. Well I agree that the professors might not spend much time or teach the students at those IV League schools, but I doubt any of us could deny the amount of doors that would never open without the prestige of attending a school like Harvard.

I mean come on, as far as the working future is concerned for students, there are plenty of reasons to want to go to a prestigious academic school regardless of what anyone actually learns there.

And because it’s so hard to actually get into these schools, the students are at a much different level and require a different teaching approach.

I’m not putting down fresno state. It’s never going to be in the league of other prestigious universities, but we could at least try to focus on academics and being a school where employers are impressed by the degree.

]]> By: Davis Carr http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21841 Davis Carr Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:43:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21841 I'll have to back Ben on that point. The "elite" institutions are overrated for that very fact. For my (and the majority of fellow CSU students') money, the value of our system must be underscored. Cornell: $21,000 annual tuition, TA taught classes, inaccessible profs CSU: $1800 annual tuition, full and associate profs teaching pre-req courses, fully accessible profs who have mandated office hours to speak with students. Why would anyone leave Cali? I’ll have to back Ben on that point. The “elite” institutions are overrated for that very fact. For my (and the majority of fellow CSU students’) money, the value of our system must be underscored.

Cornell: $21,000 annual tuition, TA taught classes, inaccessible profs
CSU: $1800 annual tuition, full and associate profs teaching pre-req courses, fully accessible profs who have mandated office hours to speak with students.

Why would anyone leave Cali?

]]> By: Davis Carr http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42800 Davis Carr Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:43:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42800 I'll have to back Ben on that point. The "elite" institutions are overrated for that very fact. For my (and the majority of fellow CSU students') money, the value of our system must be underscored. Cornell: $21,000 annual tuition, TA taught classes, inaccessible profs CSU: $1800 annual tuition, full and associate profs teaching pre-req courses, fully accessible profs who have mandated office hours to speak with students. Why would anyone leave Cali? I’ll have to back Ben on that point. The “elite” institutions are overrated for that very fact. For my (and the majority of fellow CSU students’) money, the value of our system must be underscored.

Cornell: $21,000 annual tuition, TA taught classes, inaccessible profs
CSU: $1800 annual tuition, full and associate profs teaching pre-req courses, fully accessible profs who have mandated office hours to speak with students.

Why would anyone leave Cali?

]]> By: Benjamin Baxter http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21839 Benjamin Baxter Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:08:11 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21839 In response to Dylan: MIT, Harvard, Princeton and Stanford have been around for how long? That's prestige right there for professors and students both. Yet how much time do professors there spend with undergraduates? And how many of those schools are public? They don't even compare to Fresno State academically until you count their graduate programs, if only because graduate students and T.A.s teach most undergraduate classes. Anyway, those schools are much more likely to hire someone for the quality and renown of their published work than the quality and renown of their teaching. In response to Dylan:

MIT, Harvard, Princeton and Stanford have been around for how long? That’s prestige right there for professors and students both.

Yet how much time do professors there spend with undergraduates? And how many of those schools are public?

They don’t even compare to Fresno State academically until you count their graduate programs, if only because graduate students and T.A.s teach most undergraduate classes.

Anyway, those schools are much more likely to hire someone for the quality and renown of their published work than the quality and renown of their teaching.

]]> By: Benjamin Baxter http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42799 Benjamin Baxter Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:08:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42799 In response to Dylan: MIT, Harvard, Princeton and Stanford have been around for how long? That's prestige right there for professors and students both. Yet how much time do professors there spend with undergraduates? And how many of those schools are public? They don't even compare to Fresno State academically until you count their graduate programs, if only because graduate students and T.A.s teach most undergraduate classes. Anyway, those schools are much more likely to hire someone for the quality and renown of their published work than the quality and renown of their teaching. In response to Dylan:

MIT, Harvard, Princeton and Stanford have been around for how long? That’s prestige right there for professors and students both.

Yet how much time do professors there spend with undergraduates? And how many of those schools are public?

They don’t even compare to Fresno State academically until you count their graduate programs, if only because graduate students and T.A.s teach most undergraduate classes.

Anyway, those schools are much more likely to hire someone for the quality and renown of their published work than the quality and renown of their teaching.

]]> By: Davis Carr http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21821 Davis Carr Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:38:51 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21821 Read Jeff Robert's take on all this over investment on football and basketball in the Sunday edition of the Fresno Bee's sport section. Continuing the arms race is pointless. Read Jeff Robert’s take on all this over investment on football and basketball in the Sunday edition of the Fresno Bee’s sport section. Continuing the arms race is pointless.

]]> By: Davis Carr http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42798 Davis Carr Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:38:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42798 Read Jeff Robert's take on all this over investment on football and basketball in the Sunday edition of the Fresno Bee's sport section. Continuing the arms race is pointless. Read Jeff Robert’s take on all this over investment on football and basketball in the Sunday edition of the Fresno Bee’s sport section. Continuing the arms race is pointless.

]]> By: Jones http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21798 Jones Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:26:48 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21798 Great article. And in response to 'skeptical' yes. I think it is perfectly ok for a school to be know for its athletics program. Having a great athletics program doesn't in any way mean that out academics are failing. With the money that comes in from a good season, promotions, and the increase in students and simply applications we could have enough money to increase the level of our academics. Remember also that spending a lot of money on new books and teaching resources won't always make students work harder, or want to even. In some cases it can just prove to be a distraction to students AND teachers. Great article. And in response to ‘skeptical’ yes. I think it is perfectly ok for a school to be know for its athletics program. Having a great athletics program doesn’t in any way mean that out academics are failing. With the money that comes in from a good season, promotions, and the increase in students and simply applications we could have enough money to increase the level of our academics.

Remember also that spending a lot of money on new books and teaching resources won’t always make students work harder, or want to even. In some cases it can just prove to be a distraction to students AND teachers.

]]> By: Jones http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-42797 Jones Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:26:00 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-42797 Great article. And in response to 'skeptical' yes. I think it is perfectly ok for a school to be know for its athletics program. Having a great athletics program doesn't in any way mean that out academics are failing. With the money that comes in from a good season, promotions, and the increase in students and simply applications we could have enough money to increase the level of our academics. Remember also that spending a lot of money on new books and teaching resources won't always make students work harder, or want to even. In some cases it can just prove to be a distraction to students AND teachers. Great article. And in response to ‘skeptical’ yes. I think it is perfectly ok for a school to be know for its athletics program. Having a great athletics program doesn’t in any way mean that out academics are failing. With the money that comes in from a good season, promotions, and the increase in students and simply applications we could have enough money to increase the level of our academics.

Remember also that spending a lot of money on new books and teaching resources won’t always make students work harder, or want to even. In some cases it can just prove to be a distraction to students AND teachers.

]]> By: Benjamin Baxter http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-21779 Benjamin Baxter Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:46:05 +0000 http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/12/aiming-for-the-future/#comment-21779 Check out the response <a href="http://collegian.csufresno.edu/2007/09/14/football-and-campus-growth-go-hand-in-hand/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Check out the response here.

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